The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

dharm999

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Scotland is now where close to meeting the criteria for EU entry. Nor has the machinery in place to operate fully independently. Nicola is playing a game that could back fire as spectacularly as Cameron's.

I agree, it's a long way from having the machinery for independence, but given how long Brexit may take, there would be time to have it set up. She's spotted an opportunity and like any good politician is trying to exploit it. It may backfire, it may not, but it adds another complication in to the pot.

Thrugelmir

dharm999 wrote: »

I agree, it's a long way from having the machinery for independence, but given how long Brexit may take, there would be time to have it set up. She's spotted an opportunity and like any good politician is trying to exploit it. It may backfire, it may not, but it adds another complication in to the pot.

Add the lacklustre performance of the Scottish economy to the mix and the complications mount further.

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Scotland is now where close to meeting the criteria for EU entry. Nor has the machinery in place to operate fully independently. Nicola is playing a game that could back fire as spectacularly as Cameron's.

So do you seize the moment and get the referendum vote whilst you can? Then drag the implementation out.

What's to say there isn't another crisis facing the EU in 2 or 5 years time acting as a further distraction. The EU seems pretty good at accumulating crises.

Tromking

Interesting on the QT special tonight to see Quizling Salmonds sh*t eating grin when an English audience turned on him at one point. Keep on poking the English hornets nest Alex and Nicola......you`ll lose!

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Scotland is now where close to meeting the criteria for EU entry. Nor has the machinery in place to operate fully independently. Nicola is playing a game that could back fire as spectacularly as Cameron's.

I don't really see it as any sort of game. The SNP have been rabidly pro-EU for decades and campaigned for a Remain vote. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. A Brexit scenario was the only specific 'trigger' mentioned in the SNP manifesto in May. Sturgeon has been saying consistently the same thing about a possible Brexit since it first looked like there would be a referendum. They cannot ignore the fact that Scotland's voters overwhelmingly want to stay in the EU.

They won't allow Scotland to be taken out of the EU if they can help it.

I don't get the hysteria about Scotland staying in anyway. It's almost as if England and Wales are waking up to the magnitude of how they've voted and are too scared to face the consequences without Scotland. (probably facing the reality that businesses will move HQ's en masse from London to Edinburgh no doubt is a large part of it ). England and Wales should leave as that's what the population want. Similarly Scotland should stay as ditto. Everyone is happy.

Scotland wouldn't be leaving...It's already in and the Scottish Govt and the Scots want things to stay that way. I hope the EU will give a sympathetic hearing. Let's see, but Nicola Sturgeon will fight tooth and nail to keep Scotland in the EU and negotiate terms for staying in, while England/Wales negotiate an exit. Welcome to a complete reverse of Sept 2014 regarding the EU and membership.

Scotland welcome to join EU, Merkel ally says

An independent Scotland would be welcome to join the European Union, a senior German lawmaker and ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel has said after Britain's vote to leave the bloc.
"The EU will still consist of 28 member states, as I expect a new independence referendum in Scotland, which will then be successful," said Gunther Krichbaum, a member of Merkel's conservatives and chairman of the European affairs committee in parliament.
"We should respond quickly to an application for admission from the EU-friendly country," he told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-scotland-germany-idUSKCN0ZC0QT

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Interesting on the QT special tonight to see Quizling Salmonds sh*t eating grin when an English audience turned on him at one point. Keep on poking the English hornets nest Alex and Nicola......you`ll lose!

Aaah, the English hornets are sawing themselves off the tree Tromking. No longer worth poking very much when they are too busy stinging each other to death and looking perhaps at a nasty landing.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't really see it as any sort of game. The SNP have been rabidly pro-EU for decades and campaigned for a Remain vote. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. A Brexit scenario was the only specific 'trigger' mentioned in the SNP manifesto in May. Sturgeon has been saying consistently the same thing about a possible Brexit since it first looked like there would be a referendum. They cannot ignore the fact that Scotland's voters overwhelmingly want to stay in the EU.

They won't allow Scotland to be taken out of the EU if they can help it.

I don't get the hysteria about Scotland staying in anyway. It's almost as if England and Wales are waking up to the magnitude of how they've voted and are too scared to face the consequences without Scotland. (probably facing the reality that businesses will move HQ's en masse from London to Edinburgh no doubt is a large part of it ). England and Wales should leave as that's what the population want. Similarly Scotland should stay as ditto. Everyone is happy.

Scotland wouldn't be leaving...It's already in and the Scottish Govt and the Scots want things to stay that way. I hope the EU will give a sympathetic hearing. Let's see, but Nicola Sturgeon will fight tooth and nail to keep Scotland in the EU and negotiate terms for staying in, while England/Wales negotiate an exit. Welcome to a complete reverse of Sept 2014 regarding the EU and membership.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-scotland-germany-idUSKCN0ZC0QT

I guess nicola will offer to pay the 350m per week as the scottish contribution to the EU pot

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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I don't get the hysteria about Scotland staying in anyway. It's almost as if England and Wales are waking up to the magnitude of how they've voted and are too scared to face the consequences without Scotland. (probably facing the reality that businesses will move HQ's en masse from London to Edinburgh no doubt is a large part of it ). England and Wales should leave as that's what the population want. Similarly Scotland should stay as ditto. Everyone is happy.
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Personally, it wouldn't bother me, but would you include Northern Ireland as part of the UK remaining in the UK with you?

They also voted to Remain.

What I struggle to understand is the timing. When would Scotland hold another indy ref? After the 2 year Article 50 period?

ruggedtoast

Sturgeon will call Indyref 2 at a time of her choosing. When she does it will be Yes and it will be welcomed with open arms by the EU, keen to see England's idiotic nose tweaked.

Prime Minister Boris can rant and Brexiters can squeal all they wish but Scotland is gone and it is their fault.

Dicks.

Tromking

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Sturgeon will call Indyref 2 at a time of her choosing. When she does it will be Yes and it will be welcomed with open arms by the EU, keen to see England's idiotic nose tweaked.

Prime Minister Boris can rant and Brexiters can squeal all they wish but Scotland is gone and it is their fault.

Dicks.

Even if Scotland did commit the biggest act of economic hari kiri in history by leaving the Union, I`m sure the rUK would respond in kind by tweaking Scotland`s idiotic nose. You don`t p*ss off the people who buy 90% of your goods I would suggest. There`s a febrile atmosphere in England at the moment and Salmond got a taste of that on QT tonight. Sturgeon would do well to shut her trap for a week or two till things calm down a bit, she won`t like us if we get really angry.