The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon sounded very statesmanlike earlier today.

She made it pretty clear there is going to be another referendum. I highly doubt that the answer will be No this time.

I wish I could declare independence from Leave voters too.

There'll be no referendum called until the SNP are sure of victory and have the platform on which to be economically independent. As with the EU situation. The remainder of the UK can demand in or out. Otherwise Scotland will simply be paralysed by uncertainty.

Mistermeaner

Just as with uk leave the issue iscotland still has (and always had) is that there is no vision for how it looks or how it will be better (economically particularly re fiscal control currency and most importantly defecit control in the loss of Barnett). Just like the ignorant voting from a lot of pro leavers a lot of pro indi is IMO based on misplaced nationalism and a dislike of English 'tories'

If I were scottish I'd be very concerned about aknee jerk independence vote on the back of being dragged out of the EU which would actually be more detrimental to Scotland than being part of the UK outside of EU

The SNP of course don't give a jot about what is best for Scotland, just like ukip its indi no matter what

Thrugelmir

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Just as with uk leave the issue iscotland still has (and always had) is that there is no vision for how it looks or how it will be better (economically particularly re fiscal control currency and most importantly defecit control in the loss of Barnett). Just like the ignorant voting from a lot of pro leavers a lot of pro indi is IMO based on misplaced nationalism and a dislike of English 'tories'

If I were scottish I'd be very concerned about aknee jerk independence vote on the back of being dragged out of the EU which would actually be more detrimental to Scotland than being part of the UK outside of EU

The SNP of course don't give a jot about what is best for Scotland, just like ukip its indi no matter what

Whatever the vision for Europe was, it hasn't worked. Political dreams have driven policy for far too long. Economically much of Europe is in crisis. With an aging population, high levels of debt and no growth to speak of.

Mistermeaner

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Whatever the vision for Europe was, it hasn't worked. Political dreams have driven policy for far too long. Economically much of Europe is in crisis. With an aging population, high levels of debt and no growth to speak of.

What hasnt worked which now going to be better?

Thrugelmir

Mistermeaner wrote: »

What hasnt worked which now going to be better?

Who said it's going to get better in the short term. My concerns are for the EU as a whole. It's a failed project in it's current form. To make it work all members have to work towards a goal of fiscal union. Agreement on this is no nearer than 25 years ago. Possibly even further removed with the migration crisis from outside the EU.

Leanne1812

Great post Shakes. Still feels surreal today. I was awake on & off, kept BBC on all night but knew quite early that Leave might clinch it. I think I logged on here & saw a post from Gen somewhere that said the same. We actually voted Leave!

I think some of those who did vote Leave are quite terrified now at the prospect. My social media has been very quiet on that side. They got the result they wanted now they have no idea what happens next.

I can't stop thinking about it and what it means for all of us......

I'm not 100% sure it will actually happen though. Who knows what is going on behind the scenes. Are there concessions being discussed or ways to reverse/persuade us to stay? I hope so.

Anyway, where is Hamish? Anyone know? I haven't seen any posts. I suppose he is despairing like so many of us......Hamish, pitch up and give us your thoughts about where you think Scotland goes from here. I may not always agree but I do enjoy your posts ( mostly :-)) Cheers

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Great post Shakes. Still feels surreal today. I was awake on & off, kept BBC on all night but knew quite early that Leave might clinch it. I think I logged on here & saw a post from Gen somewhere that said the same. We actually voted Leave!

I think some of those who did vote Leave are quite terrified now at the prospect. My social media has been very quiet on that side. They got the result they wanted now they have no idea what happens next.

I can't stop thinking about it and what it means for all of us......

I'm not 100% sure it will actually happen though. Who knows what is going on behind the scenes. Are there concessions being discussed or ways to reverse/persuade us to stay? I hope so.

Anyway, where is Hamish? Anyone know? I haven't seen any posts. I suppose he is despairing like so many of us......Hamish, pitch up and give us your thoughts about where you think Scotland goes from here. I may not always agree but I do enjoy your posts ( mostly :-)) Cheers

Go for it. It might just make England able to continue to spend as it does currently if your lot stop !!!!ing the money away.

I've given up on the lot of you having an ounce of sense between you.

dharm999

Generali wrote: »

Go for it. It might just make England able to continue to spend as it does currently if your lot stop !!!!ing the money away.

I've given up on the lot of you having an ounce of sense between you.

Common sense has gone out of the window. We are in unknown territory, and I suspect that there will be knee jerk reactions. Independence is now less of an economic argument. I voted for the union last time, and next time, I probably wouldn't if that meant staying in the EU, depending on what Brexit actually looked like. I never thought I would say that, but the landscape has changed. I can see Scotland being a more attractive place for financial services companies who want to be in the EU, as it has most of the same advantages as England; language, established infrastructure, strong contract law, and most importantly passporting. Why move to Paris, when you could move somewhere far easier?

Generali

dharm999 wrote: »

Common sense has gone out of the window. We are in unknown territory, and I suspect that there will be knee jerk reactions. Independence is now less of an economic argument. I voted for the union last time, and next time, I probably wouldn't if that meant staying in the EU, depending on what Brexit actually looked like. I never thought I would say that, but the landscape has changed. I can see Scotland being a more attractive place for financial services companies who want to be in the EU, as it has most of the same advantages as England; language, established infrastructure, strong contract law, and most importantly passporting. Why move to Paris, when you could move somewhere far easier?

Yup. The UK is a country full of idiots voting about things they know nothing about.

Go on, I urge Scotland to vote for independence. Please vote poverty. I would welcome your slide. Vote stupid, everyone else is.

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

I think some of those who did vote Leave are quite terrified now at the prospect. My social media has been very quiet on that side. They got the result they wanted now they have no idea what happens next.

I can't stop thinking about it and what it means for all of us......

Yet you want Scotland to be independent of the UK. Totally illogical. Similar and far more complex issues would entail.