The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Brexit was brought about by the British people inc. Scots. As usual you're talking about Scotland as if were an independent state already.

I'm not talking about tenor's or Scottish feeling's towards hornets nests though.

Scotland doesn't want to leave the EU. Just accept that, then understand that the First Minister of Scotland has to accept that too. There are no games, no subterfuge nor causation of political instability coming from the Scottish side. Sturgeon and her Govt are duty bound to enact the wishes of the Scottish electorate. She's not a Westminster MP. She's a Scottish MSP in a Scottish parliament and holds no responsibility whatsoever to Westminster politically. Scotland did indeed vote overwhelmingly Remain, just as Cameron would have wanted. It wasn't enough though. We'll all have to deal with that.

Do you honestly think the First Minster of Scotland can simply shrug her shoulders and say 'oh well, England and Wales voted out so that's us out too, never mind' to 62% of the Scottish electorate ? It was never going to happen. The Scottish Govt will therefore try and keep Scotland in the EU by whichever means necessary.

I'm not really seeing why you'd have a problem with that to be honest. It's nothing whatsoever against England or Wales. But the Scots obviously don't want to come out of the EU and Sturgeon has a 100% duty to reflect that going forward.

fun4everyone

I am a Scot who believes strongly in the Union. I also believe strongly in staying in the EU. Frankly I was embarrassed to be British when the result was announced the other morning. I stand for togetherness, unity, tolerance and respect. Not for the garbage some people have been spouting.


The SNP cannot hide their glee at this result as it gives them a strong argument to a 2nd independence referendum as well as a huge Scots/English divide. Salmond on the results show could barely hide his happiness when he pointed out "leave" had just turned into a favourite in the betting. To them independence is the objective by any means and screw the consequences, even if it means leaving the rest of the UK out of the EU to achieve it.


Personally I hope everybody with some sense works together in the coming months to find a way for the UK not to exit the EU. I don't think it can quite be a rerun of the Aberdeen union terrace gardens fiasco but certainly a political mandate to remain could be achieved before Article 50 is invoked. Otherwise its goodbye to the UK forever imo.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sure. But they know the score. Try and stop it and support will build further.

I agree with this, any government has to grant Scotland a referendum if there is a will for it from up here. If they were to refuse, the SNP would just use it against them.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland can have the pound should they want it. But not a currency union. Best not to confuse the two.

Also this is true. But by far and away the most likely currency for an independent Scotland now would be the Euro I guess.

fun4everyone

Awkward that the largest % of leave voters in Scotland were SNP voters





From https://twitter.com/AidanKerrPol

CLAPTON

fun4everyone wrote: »

I am a Scot who believes strongly in the Union. I also believe strongly in staying in the EU. Frankly I was embarrassed to be British when the result was announced the other morning. I stand for togetherness, unity, tolerance and respect. Not for the garbage some people have been spouting.

Why does democracy in action 'embarrass' you?
Do you stand for 'togetherness, unity, tolerance and respect' for the whole world or just white christian Europe.
Do you support unlimited free movement of people from all countries of the world.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sure. But they know the score. Try and stop it and support will build further.

Sunday Times 26/06/2016

I don't really have a lot of confidence in what 'senior' tories say off the record but I do think that if SNP makes enough fuss, then there will be another scottish referendum
however the timing may well be at westminster's choosing.

HornetSaver

fun4everyone wrote: »

Awkward that the largest % of leave voters in Scotland were SNP voters





From https://twitter.com/AidanKerrPol

Well, UKIP voters are about as Common as Scottish Labour MPs. So unless there was some off-the-scale anti-Europe sentiment from the Greens it's hard to see how those figures even loosely correlate with the actual result.

skintmacflint

As Alex Salmond said last night all political campaigns have misinformation at their heart and he's a master in this regard.

At the moment we are watching Nicola Sturgeon do precisely just that with all her illusory 'options' , all of which have been carefuly crafted and scripted by none other than Mr Salmond over the past 4 to 6 months. And none of which are within her power or control.

Enjoy the illusion.

Meantime keep calm and carry on. I've switched off.

elantan

fun4everyone wrote: »

Awkward that the largest % of leave voters in Scotland were SNP voters





From https://twitter.com/AidanKerrPol

Not really, I know many people that voted out that voted Yes last time and will vote Yes next time, and quite a few of them are SNP members, people that want the SNP to govern Scotland and take us to independence but don't want to be in the EU.

It's not rockets science so try not to make too much out of it, many labour down south voted out, Labour campaigned to remain

elantan

What should really interest you is many of those people that voted in would have voted no last time....they may vote Yes next time to stay in the EU

fun4everyone

elantan wrote: »

What should really interest you is many of those people that voted in would have voted no last time....they may vote Yes next time to stay in the EU

I would agree that should indyref 2 happen with the straight choice of a UK that is completely outside the EU vs an Independent Scotland in the EU - independence would win the vote. Not that I ever want it to come to that.