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unholyangel

naedanger wrote: »

You were asked a simple question. Supply a link to support what you say is fact.

If you have such evidence why not just provide it rather than argue?

Because I've already provided it previously and he ignored it then also in favour of how he thinks things are based on his imagination.

When you've extensively debated a subject with someone, provided proof for your arguments and they just return with "no thats wrong, not because I have proof its wrong but because I think it is", its less of a debate and more like playing chess with a pigeon.

Zandoni

unholyangel wrote: »

Because I've already provided it previously and he ignored it then also in favour of how he thinks things are based on his imagination.

When you've extensively debated a subject with someone, provided proof for your arguments and they just return with "no thats wrong, not because I have proof its wrong but because I think it is", its less of a debate and more like playing chess with a pigeon.

Not sure why you have to start getting rude, it's usually a last resort.

Just show me the Which link, it will be a lot easier than being rude.

naedanger

unholyangel wrote: »

Because I've already provided it previously and he ignored it then also in favour of how he thinks things are based on his imagination.

When you've extensively debated a subject with someone, provided proof for your arguments and they just return with "no thats wrong, not because I have proof its wrong but because I think it is", its less of a debate and more like playing chess with a pigeon.

It would be quicker providing the information than arguing why you shouldn't need to.

(I don't think Zandoni has said you are wrong to say "washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers" but I don't think he is prepared to accept this point as fact without seeing your evidence.)

I just wanted to make clear that if you say something as being the case (e.g. "washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers") it is not logically correct to assume you are correct unless someone proves otherwise.

bris

The link clearly states that 14% of electrical fires are caused by washing machines as opposed to 12% for tumble dryers.


Doesn't that prove the point? It does to everyone else, it seems you are both arguing because you don't believe which. What other evidence could you possibly need.

naedanger

bris wrote: »

The link clearly states that 14% of electrical fires are caused by washing machines as opposed to 12% for tumble dryers.


Doesn't that prove the point?

No it really doesn't. The statement was "washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers". The words I have underlined are important. There will be more washing machines than affected Hotpoint tumble dryers in existence. Therefore you cannot correctly conclude from the statement you have quoted that a washing machine is more likely to catch fire than an affected Hotpoint tumble dryer.

It does to everyone else, it seems you are both arguing because you don't believe which. What other evidence could you possibly need.

I am actually prepared to believe the statement "washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers" MAY be true. I just have not seen evidence for it.

Zandoni

bris wrote: »

The link clearly states that 14% of electrical fires are caused by washing machines as opposed to 12% for tumble dryers.


Doesn't that prove the point? It does to everyone else, it seems you are both arguing because you don't believe which. What other evidence could you possibly need.

Unfortunately it doesn't prove any point, Which state that 12% of fires are caused by tumble dryers. It doesn't mention the increased risk with Hotpoint machines.

wealdroam

Can we accept the Which chart that shows that 12% of fires caused by faulty appliances are caused by tumble dryers?

If so, then surely those caused by Hotpoint tumble dryers will be somewhat less - assuming that Hotpoint haven't made all the tumble dryers.

Following from that, then there will be even less fires caused by the problem Hotpoint tumble dryers - if we assume that not every Hotpoint model of tumble dryer is affected.

I have no way of working out the proportions here, so even if we take the worse case where all tumble dryers are made by Hotpoint and all Hotpoint tumble dryers are 'affected' tumble dryers, the Which chart shows that the number of fires caused by affected tumble dryers is less than those caused by washing machines.

unholyangel

naedanger wrote: »

It would be quicker providing the information than arguing why you shouldn't need to.

(I don't think Zandoni has said you are wrong to say "washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers" but I don't think he is prepared to accept this point as fact without seeing your evidence.)

I just wanted to make clear that if you say something as being the case (e.g. "washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers") it is not logically correct to assume you are correct unless someone proves otherwise.

Clearly it wouldn't given the information has already been provided to him and he's still preferring his imagining to anything concrete - not really sure how many times I need to say that for it to sink in.

And btw, my original statement which zandoni asked for a link to prove (seems he has again been deleting his posts) was:

To explain, even with this design "fault", its still more likely that your washing machine will go on fire than your tumble dryer. This "fault" doesn't create a fire risk, it just increases the likeliness of a fire risk thats already present. Even models without this design fault can still go on fire.

It was zandoni who brought up washing machines versus affected hotpoint models with this post:

Zandoni wrote: »

I'd like a link that shows washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers.

As for your last paragraph, again, perhaps you'd be better off directing that at zandoni.

wealdroam

Oops... sorry... forgot to provide a link.

Here it is:

Which? reveals the home appliances most likely to catch fire

And for those that find links difficult, here it is in picture form:

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wealdroam wrote: »

I have no way of working out the proportions here, so even if we take the worse case where all tumble dryers are made by Hotpoint and all Hotpoint tumble dryers are 'affected' tumble dryers, the Which chart shows that the number of fires caused by affected tumble dryers is less than those caused by washing machines.

Unfortunately the percentage quotes seems to be of fires as a whole, so doesn't take into account the number of each item installed. Obviously there will be more washing machines installed than tumble dryers, as nearly every home has a washing machine but not all of those will have a dryer. Without knowing that it's impossible to compare the likelihood of one against the other catching fire.