MSE News: Hotpoint tumble dryer help: 3 extra tricks to get you a refund

naedanger

unholyangel wrote: »

If they got the data from the same place I did, they put washing machines being at a higher risk due to the combination of water & electricity making it more of a risk.

But I've made the same point to zandoni several times on this subject - that all electrical items carry a fire risk with them, that this fault does not create a risk, it just exacerbates a preexisting one.

Although I linked to the statistics I don't think they are terribly illuminating. Personally I would put more weight on the views of the chairman of the LGA's fire services management committee.

unholyangel

Zandoni wrote: »

I'd like a link that shows washing machines are more likely to catch fire than the affected Hotpoint tumble dryers.

We've gone over this before. Several times in fact.

If you're really that keen on getting the info (rather than point blank refusing to believe anything that doesn't gel with Whirlpool being uber villains) then by all means, go find it in the history of the thread.

Zandoni

unholyangel wrote: »

We've gone over this before. Several times in fact.

If you're really that keen on getting the info (rather than point blank refusing to believe anything that doesn't gel with Whirlpool being uber villains) then by all means, go find it in the history of the thread.

There's no link in this thread that show you are more likely to have a fire from a washing machine than a recalled Hotpoint tumble dryer.

unholyangel

Zandoni wrote: »

There's no link in this thread that show you are more likely to have a fire from a washing machine than a recalled Hotpoint tumble dryer.

No, you being deliberately obtuse isn't going to get me to reenter into a debate with you.

As I said, the information is all there if you're really that interested. You've already been given it once, had it explained more than once and yet you persist . To rehash the whole thing again would be a waste of everyones time - mine and yours.

And its now the last time I'll be explaining the above also. I'll leave the tail chasing to my dog tyvm.

Zandoni

unholyangel wrote: »

No, you being deliberately obtuse isn't going to get me to reenter into a debate with you.

As I said, the information is all there if you're really that interested. You've already been given it once, had it explained more than once and yet you persist . To rehash the whole thing again would be a waste of everyones time - mine and yours.

And its now the last time I'll be explaining the above also. I'll leave the tail chasing to my dog tyvm.

I have no interest in debating with you, I just don't want you saying that Washing machines are more dangerous than the Hotpoint tumble driers that are faulty.

I feel it's extremely dangerous playing down the chance of a fire in people's homes.

hollydays

naedanger wrote: »

Although I linked to the statistics I don't think they are terribly illuminating. Personally I would put more weight on the views of the chairman of the LGA's fire services management committee.

Would that be the same chairman who
"was caught out asking a member of his public relations staff to write his own fan mail to a local newspaper for him ahead of the general election" ?

unholyangel

Zandoni wrote: »

I have no interest in debating with you, I just don't want you saying that Washing machines are more dangerous than the Hotpoint tumble driers that are faulty.

I feel it's extremely dangerous playing down the chance of a fire in people's homes.

Over 5 million affected machines have been in use over the last 11-12 years and only approx 60 per year have resulted in fires (according to the which? report you love so much). Thats averaging at 500,000 units sold per year and a fire rate of 0.012%. The way people are acting on here, you'd think that was a 100% rate. These affected machines have been responsible for 1.5% of fires in total (12.5% of tumble dryer fires) per year while washing machines have been responsible for 14% of all fires. So yes, statistically your washing machine is more likely to be the cause of a fire in your home than one of these affected machines although I'll admit its not a fair comparison brand vs type.

I am not saying the tumble dryers are not a risk - and I never have done. What I done is said that people should be realistic and stop acting like their tumble dryer which has worked without issue for however long is now suddenly a death trap because they've became aware of a fire risk that has always existed.

And I suppose thats where we differ. You think people should be more worried about risks they know about, I think people should be more worried over the risks they don't know about (yet).

Which? also said in the same report that as they don't know the market share of whirlpool, they can't determine whether they pose a greater risk than other tumble dryers.

But hey, don't let that stop the drama queens.

Zandoni

unholyangel wrote: »

Over 5 million affected machines have been in use over the last 11-12 years and only approx 60 per year have resulted in fires (according to the which? report you love so much).

I really need to see this Which report before I answer, please supply a link.

unholyangel

Zandoni wrote: »

I really need to see this Which report before I answer, please supply a link.

How about this, since you need a link to believe anything, why dont you provide a link to back up your opinions?

So I'd like links supporting not only that these machines are more likely to be the cause of a fire in your home than washing machines, but also that they are more dangerous than any other brand of tumble dryer.

I won't hold my breath though as you were already asked for links and were unable to provide any. But I think its only fair given how many supporting links I've provided that I don't provide any more until you start providing some of your own.

Zandoni

unholyangel wrote: »

How about this, since you need a link to believe anything, why dont you provide a link to back up your opinions?

So I'd like links supporting not only that these machines are more likely to be the cause of a fire in your home than washing machines, but also that they are more dangerous than any other brand of tumble dryer.

I won't hold my breath though as you were already asked for links and were unable to provide any. But I think its only fair given how many supporting links I've provided that I don't provide any more until you start providing some of your own.

You referred to a Which report so I'd like to see it. You are the one playing down people's fears,.