If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

oneofmanynames wrote: »

Hello, new here. I'm not sure where to post this, but figured this *seems* like it might be the appropriate place.

As a small business owner, I've had a number of issues since Brexit. One of the more concerning issues has been that some of my suppliers have raised their prices, the average increase has been 20-25%. In one case a supplier retroactively increased their wholesale costs. The reasons I've been given across the board has been "Brexit". How it's justifiable or possible (legal) that prices can be hiked retroactively, I don't know.

I employ a small team of British workers, all paid a living-wage or more depending on position (I wouldn't have a business without them). If things continue going the way they are (price increases, less of the public spending) I won't have a business left to employ anyone.

If anyone here can advise on the law regarding retroactively hiking prices, I would appreciate it. I'd also be interested to know if this is happening to other small/large businesses across the UK.

If you've contractually agreed a price. Then it stands. What's the nature of the product(s)?

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

But long term unemployment is just 1% (and some of them will be unemployed for good reason) and since it's impossible to get that figure of 1% down to zero your only choice in finding British strawberry pickers and British shelf stackers and British waiters is to recruit them from their current jobs. So why do you want British people in higher paid better condition jobs to be demoted to strawberry pickers?

Without migrants doing the low pay low condition jobs pushing the locals up the local working class boys and girls will have to do them.

-all jobs in the world do not need to be done in the UK
-people are both consumers and suppliers of goods and services
-as you know, the lowest paid in our society make no net financial contribution to society
-strawberry pickets are not necessary in the UK : if they were unavailable then inventive people would solve the problem if it needs to be solved:

all your policies would do, is to suppress innovation and keep the poorer section of society even poorer

mayonnaise

oneofmanynames wrote: »

Hello, new here. I'm not sure where to post this, but figured this *seems* like it might be the appropriate place.

As a small business owner, I've had a number of issues since Brexit. One of the more concerning issues has been that some of my suppliers have raised their prices, the average increase has been 20-25%. In one case a supplier retroactively increased their wholesale costs. The reasons I've been given across the board has been "Brexit". How it's justifiable or possible (legal) that prices can be hiked retroactively, I don't know.

I employ a small team of British workers, all paid a living-wage or more depending on position (I wouldn't have a business without them). If things continue going the way they are (price increases, less of the public spending) I won't have a business left to employ anyone.

If anyone here can advise on the law regarding retroactively hiking prices, I would appreciate it. I'd also be interested to know if this is happening to other small/large businesses across the UK.

Just pass on the extra 20-25% to your customers.
If they ask why, tell them 'Brexit'
If they mutter that Brexit was supposed to result in higher wages and lower prices, try not to laugh too loud.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Just pass on the extra 20-25% to your customers.
If they ask why, tell them 'Brexit'
If they mutter that Brexit was supposed to result in higher wages and lower prices, try not to laugh too loud.

so the 'remainers' lying campaign goes on; but I guess losing an exclusive white christian club and having to deal with all peoples of the world on an equal basis is a shock after so long

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

-all jobs in the world do not need to be done in the UK
-people are both consumers and suppliers of goods and services
-as you know, the lowest paid in our society make no net financial contribution to society
-strawberry pickets are not necessary in the UK : if they were unavailable then inventive people would solve the problem if it needs to be solved:

all your policies would do, is to suppress innovation and keep the poorer section of society even poorer

Yes I agree we can stop growing strawberries and import them from Spain. But how do we address the other low pay low skill work where that is not possible eg the bin men?

If the migrants are doing that work and they leave who is going to do it? It would be the working class local boys and girls. But they already have jobs as unemployment is just 1%. So they will have to leave their current job and become bin men

With migrants the locals are pushes up without migrants the locals are pushes down.


Your idea that without migrants business will invent robots to do those jobs doesn't hold as technology is worldwide and even a migrant costs a lot more than a robot. So if the councils were going to innovate so we didn't need bin men a robot was going to do it then there is no reason why they qoildnt do it now and even if it qwrw possible the idea that lower skill migrants push the locals up Still holds true it just moves to the next lowest paid and conditions work

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

Yes I agree we can stop growing strawberries and import them from Spain. But how do we address the other low pay low skill work where that is not possible eg the bin men?

are you seriously saying that most bin men are graduate immigrants from europe?
I usually enjoy your well argued nonsense but this is a little far fetched even by your standards.

If the migrants are doing that work and they leave who is going to do it? It would be the working class local boys and girls. But they already have jobs as unemployment is just 1%. So they will have to leave their current job and become bin men

I assume by this you are saying that bin men will be paid much higher salaries to attach people currently in other employment.
This is the usual response to a shortage of labour in a particular sector. This will lead to further automation increasing the overall UK ability to produce goods and services.

With migrants the locals are pushes up without migrants the locals are pushes down.

total fantasy : the cheap labour has massively delayed the introduction of automation.

there is no evidence that well qualified immigrants take the lowest jobs and that UK youth get better jobs.

In any event they are a burden and a cost to the economy

mrginge

cells wrote: »

But long term unemployment is just 1% (and some of them will be unemployed for good reason) and since it's impossible to get that figure of 1% down to zero your only choice in finding British strawberry pickers and British shelf stackers and British waiters is to recruit them from their current jobs. So why do you want British people in higher paid better condition jobs to be demoted to strawberry pickers?

Without migrants doing the low pay low condition jobs pushing the locals up the local working class boys and girls will have to do them.

The local working class boys and girls are already employed in higher paid jobs in your fantasy world, so will not be getting pushed up anywhere.

cells

mrginge wrote: »

The local working class boys and girls are already employed in higher paid jobs in your fantasy world, so will not be getting pushed up anywhere.

A portion of them are only in those higher paid jobs because there are migrants in the UK pushing the uk population up. Imagine if the UK population halved do you think the number of doctors in the NHS and the number of teachers in schools would stay the same or would they halve?

Only some locals are pushed up as immigrants dont make up most of the UK population.

An extreme example would be Qatar or UAE where immigrants are the majority. In those societies I am going to guess my theory would be more obvious. The migrants probably do close to all the low pay low status poor condition jobs. Clearly if those countries had no migrants the locals would have to empty the bins and clean the toilets as that work needs to be done.

Clapton silly idea is that is Mr foreigner leaves then some cleaver chap (but not him) will design a robot to clean the toilets and empty the bins. However there are countries with 2-3x the wages of the UK and they have not yet invented those things. There are countries with 20x the population of the uk and they have not invented those things. So whats going to happen if we stop importing migrants to clean the toilets and empty the bins is that the working class 'kids' are going to have to do them.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

are you seriously saying that most bin men are graduate immigrants from europe?
I usually enjoy your well argued nonsense but this is a little far fetched even by your standards.

you really need to stop your BS lies

I assume by this you are saying that bin men will be paid much higher salaries to attach people currently in other employment.

No. What happens is that migrants push the population up thus pushing up the demand for higher paid jobs like doctors. If migrants stop coming then these higher paid jobs are not created. Imagine if the UK population expanded 10% that means all jobs expand by 10% from bottom to top. The workforce is allocated jobs according to their skills and ability and if the expanded population is largely low-skill-little-english-migrants they get the jobs at the bottom of the pryamid and the locals get jobs above that.

This is the usual response to a shortage of labour in a particular sector. This will lead to further automation increasing the overall UK ability to produce goods and services.

automation is global if someone is going to invent a automatic toilet cleaning machine its going to happen irrespective of englands migration numbers

And lower migrants dont/wont result in a shortage of labor as they are about 1:1

total fantasy : the cheap labour has massively delayed the introduction of automation.

give me some REAL world examples of this being true. What is not being deployed as Pedro is willing to work for £7.20 an hour?

there is no evidence that well qualified immigrants take the lowest jobs and that UK youth get better jobs.

I said lower skilled migrants (or even high skill but poor english language forcing them to have to take low skill jobs until they improve their english)

In any event they are a burden and a cost to the economy

Wrong here too, the migrants as a group due to this displacing up of the locals contribute in the region of £20k in taxes pa per worker almost irrespective of their actual pay. So the migrant football star on £20m pa is paying the same £20k as his cousin cleaning dishes for £10k a year. This also accounts for their portion of the profits of businesses.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

A portion of them are only in those higher paid jobs because there are migrants in the UK pushing the uk population up. Imagine if the UK population halved do you think the number of doctors in the NHS and the number of teachers in schools would stay the same or would they halve?

half the doctors would have left too.

An extreme example would be Qatar or UAE where immigrants are the majority. In those societies I am going to guess my theory would be more obvious. The migrants probably do close to all the low pay low status poor condition jobs. Clearly if those countries had no migrants the locals would have to empty the bins and clean the toilets as that work needs to be done.

excellent example of an extremist totalitarian state, suppressing the immigrant who are virtual slaves and with no free market it labour.

it illustrates the madness of your argument when applied to the UK.

Clapton silly idea is that is Mr foreigner leaves then some cleaver chap (but not him) will design a robot to clean the toilets and empty the bins. However there are countries with 2-3x the wages of the UK and they have not yet invented those things. There are countries with 20x the population of the uk and they have not invented those things. So whats going to happen if we stop importing migrants to clean the toilets and empty the bins is that the working class 'kids' are going to have to do them.

excellent illustration of your mad hypothesis that larger population is more prosperous: glad you now realise how daft it is.

provide some facts and figures that show most toilets are cleaned by immigrants