If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

By the way - your "thread on discussion time" is making you look like an even bigger !!!!! than you do here.

Meanwhile you look like Citizen Smith more with every posting.

Without a plausible plan back into power for your Labour mates your vision of the future looks ... well ... toast.

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

By the way - your "thread on discussion time" is making you look like an even bigger !!!!! than you do here.

If elitist liberals are in any doubt as to what the poisonous, powerful sneering liberal elite are all about, watch this short clip from Question Time;


Rod Liddle (Labour) eviscerates Simon Schama;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCJN7_IiFM

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You've waited a long time for an unpleasant right wing politician to give a speech bashing people who want to promote freedom and respect for basic human values?

There's been one happening every 5 minutes since 1939, Conrad.

You virtue signalling liberals that tried to control what people say and think, caused the age old British sense of fairness to become warped out of shape, a meal ticket for those seeking benefits, compensation and asymmetric advantage, where oooman rights became a means of gaining the system.


You pushed the British people over and again and you pushed us once too often, excusing self framing 'victims', excusing failure and wanton welfare culture, excusing abuses such as honour killing and Sharia courts, excusing people from learning English and instead offering them costly interpreters in Hospital, chasing down suffering soldiers so as to fill the coffers of the likes of Shami Chakravarty still further, enabling people to frame as offended or n need of safe spacing, enabling housing queue jumpers, the list of liberal unfairness goes on and on

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

The Conservative plan is to try and retake some of that UKIP vote whilst maintaining the centre ground.

It's just smart politics.

Calling for deportation of EU nationals for minor crimes is not the centre ground, it's right wing bigotry to the extreme.
'Naming and shaming' companies who dare to employ foreign nationals is not centre ground either.
What's next? Identification of foreign nationals with a clear marker stitched on their clothing? Maybe a yellow hexagram will do?

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Calling for deportation of EU nationals for minor crimes is not the centre ground, it's right wing bigotry to the extreme.

Only changes the law to match that of non EU Nationals.

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

You virtue signalling liberals that tried to control what people say and think, caused the age old British sense of fairness to become warped out of shape, a meal ticket for those seeking benefits, compensation and asymmetric advantage, where oooman rights became a means of gaining the system.


You pushed the British people over and again and you pushed us once too often, excusing self framing 'victims', excusing failure and wanton welfare culture, excusing abuses such as honour killing and Sharia courts, excusing people from learning English and instead offering them costly interpreters in Hospital, chasing down suffering soldiers so as to fill the coffers of the likes of Shami Chakravarty still further, enabling people to frame as offended or n need of safe spacing, enabling housing queue jumpers, the list of liberal unfairness goes on and on

A meal ticket?

You really have got a flipping nerve.

You're a buy to let boomer landlord who occupies a privileged position as a generational parasite basically doing nothing while other people toil to pay their rent to you.

And YOU are accusing immigrants, the vast majority of whom are here completely legally and correctly of being scroungers?

Like the rest of your ilk you're among the wealthiest individuals the country and the world has ever known.

But that isn't enough is it Conrad. For some reason the bile just has to rise up anyway doesn;t it?

Scroungers, people on benefits, the poor, single mothers, refugees stuck in a camp in Calais. There really is no one worse off than you that you don't deeply, and absurdly, resent for holding you back in some imaginary way.

By the way thanks for alerting me to Discussion Time, I can see from the number of people slapping you down over there that is has a significantly smaller pool of narrow minded right wingers than this board does.

Rinoa

The sneering liberal elite are certainly out in force today.

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

Calling for deportation of EU nationals for minor crimes is not the centre ground, it's right wing bigotry to the extreme.
'Naming and shaming' companies who dare to employ foreign nationals is not centre ground either.
What's next? Identification of foreign nationals with a clear marker stitched on their clothing? Maybe a yellow hexagram will do?

Deporting those who are not citizens of this country who break the law is right wing bigotry?

Identifying companies who employ migrants and pay them less than the minimum wage because the migrants will unknowingly accept this treatment and accept sub-standard accommodation?

How many migrants do you know in low paid work and conditions?

Do you know how law-abiding migrants feel about those migrants who break the law? Do you believe they feel as though the law breakers should be allowed to stay when they themselves fight to survive whilst following the letter of the law?

Do you know how migrants who don't know the laws of this country and their rights are exploited by employers? How they're bullied by large employers, trapping them into impossible situations, accusing them of saying and doing things which could get them fired and generally making their lives a misery? Because I do, and these migrants do not know their rights. They don't know how to fight it because where they come from it doesn't work the way it does here.

My wife is a Ukrainian migrant, non-eu:

- she had no idea what a union is
- what her employment rights are
- what she is and is not entitled to regarding pay and conditions
- what her friends, also migrants, should expect from their employers and landlords

I cannot help but feel that there is a mass, a huge mass, virtue signalling from the liberal left, university educated, well paid, home owning group of people who profess to fight for these people but do not understand - NOT ONE BIT - how these people actually feel. What these people actually go through and battle with on a daily basis, what political leanings these people have.

The liberal left use migrants as an excuse to berate others when the views of these people are at odds with the very views the liberals themselves hold.

They call people like myself racist or xenophobic for voting to leave the EU, despite not having one clue about my life, my background and the company I keep. On the basis of my experience of this group of people I put forward that it is actually this group of people, the liberal left, who are ignorant, bigoted, self-righteously pompous and intolerant.

My experience of migrants from the EU and from outside the EU is that they work hard, they want to be paid fairly for the work they do and they expect themselves and others to follow the letter of the law and for punishment to be metered out to those who do not. Some are more conservative than I would consider myself to be. Some of them come from backgrounds where Conchita Wurst is considered an abomination and homophobia is a cultural bedrock. They do however understand that they live in a country where this is not the case and short of private conversation with those they trust they keep themselves to themselves and get on with their lives.

michaels

You forget that the 'liberal lefties' employ immigrants as cleaners, decorators, plumbers, dog walkers etc etc and would suffer if a smaller pool of unskilled labour resulted in prices for these services being bid up......

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Identifying companies who employ migrants and pay them less than the minimum wage because the migrants will unknowingly accept this treatment and accept sub-standard accommodation?

I agree, minimum wage should be enforced.
But Rudd's speech was about something else, Tricky.

Amber Rudd used her speech at the Conservative Party conference to warn that foreign workers should not be able to "take the jobs that British people should do".

She revealed that companies could be forced to publish the proportion of "international" staff on their books in a move which would effectively "name and shame" businesses which are failing to take on British workers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/04/jeremy-hunt-nhs-doctors-theresa-may-conservative-conference-live/

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Deporting those who are not citizens of this country who break the law is right wing bigotry?

Deporting non-citizens for minor offences is disproportionate and right wing bigotry, yes.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My wife is a Ukrainian migrant, non-eu:

I'd advise her not to park on a double yellow. You never know how they will define 'minor offence'.