If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Calling for deportation of EU nationals for minor crimes is not the centre ground, it's right wing bigotry to the extreme.

If you invited someone to live in your home and they stole £5 from your wallet, would you happily allow them to stay?

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

Calling for deportation of EU nationals for minor crimes is not the centre ground, it's right wing bigotry to the extreme.
'Naming and shaming' companies who dare to employ foreign nationals is not centre ground either.
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I called it smart politics, not morally just or righteous.

The Tories want the centre PLUS the right of politics in this country. That's pretty obvious. It's a smart tactical move.

Labour can claim to be more compassionate, but without a clear plan for winning back power, it doesn't amount to much.

Labour also need to be smarter...

setmefree2

UK looks for transitional trade deal after Brexit

Interim payments to Brussels considered to keep market access

Ministers are looking to negotiate a transitional trade deal with the EU — including possibly paying a single market access fee to Brussels — to avoid a “cliff-edge” for exporters and the City of London after Brexit in 2019.
A smooth transition over several years after Brexit is a key demand for the City and for countries such as Japan, which fear there could be disruption in trade while Britain and the EU hammer out a new free-trade agreement.
One senior banker said people in the sector were “shooting themselves in the head” on Tuesday after Bloomberg cited a senior figure in Theresa May’s administration saying her team had privately dismissed an interim deal with the EU.
But the claim was strongly denied by Mrs May’s allies. Several ministers told the Financial Times that a transitional trade deal was likely to be a key part of Brexit negotiations that begin next year.

“We are working to deliver the best possible exit from the European Union and it is completely wrong to suggest we have ruled in or out transitional arrangements,” a government spokesman said.
“Just this week we announced that European laws and regulations would be transferred to British law upon our exit from the European Union, in order to provide certainty for businesses that operate in the UK.”
One option being considered is that Britain might continue to pay into EU coffers as an entry fee to the single market during the interim period, pending agreement and ratification of a new trade deal.
Although such a move would be contentious with Tory Eurosceptics, ministers acknowledge there would be a gap of several years between Brexit — scheduled for 2019 — and the entry into force of new trade arrangements.
A similar trade deal between the EU and Canada has been under preparation for seven years; the ratification by all 27 remaining member states of a potentially more complicated deal with Britain could take a number of years.

Wall Street bankers last month warned Theresa May that they needed a “long runway”, and a transition period lasting several years, in what was described by British officials as “a frank exchange of views”

https://www.ft.com/content/cc84f9ee-8a53-11e6-8cb7-e7ada1d123b1

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

I agree, minimum wage should be enforced.
But Rudd's speech was about something else, Tricky.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/04/jeremy-hunt-nhs-doctors-theresa-may-conservative-conference-live/


Deporting non-citizens for minor offences is disproportionate and right wing bigotry, yes.


I'd advise her not to park on a double yellow. You never know how they will define 'minor offence'.

I see nothing wrong in showing the percentage of foreign employees in a particular company. It'll help the investigation into the employment of illegal migrants (which is against the law) and it'll help when investigating pay and conditions of migrants, stopping their exploitation. They will accept lower pay and poorer conditions and treatment, because compared to where these migrants have come from what we consider poor conditions would be an A* job in some places of Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria, etc...

Where my wife works, a woman in management of asian ethnicity accused my wife of being a racist, she almost lost her job because of it. The accusation was due to her sitting in an area of a call centre where those who speak mandarin work, she was told by the people in that area (mainly of Chinese ethnicity) in a friendly and comical way that soon she would be able to speak mandarin, she repeated this to another colleague and it was overheard by this woman. This woman then tried to get her fired on the basis that it was a racist comment. The same woman from the management team referred to the Russian speakers as 'Russians', now my wife is from Ukraine and found this offensive for obvious reasons, but she had no idea how to address this. Naturally I went nuts when she told me all of this, but I have no way of addressing this on her behalf, so now I've managed to get her and a group of her friends set up as paid members of a union to at least give them some protection from the bullying.

Anything that will allow the government to stamp out people like this woman at her company playing the racist card and then waltzing about being offensive to migrants is a bonus in my view.

Deportation for breaking the law doesn't strike me as a problem at all. There is a distinct difference between a criminal offence and a civil offence, so the exaggeration of parking double yellows can be discarded. If there is someone here on a visa who commits fraud, scams the elderly, uses violence, robs your home, steals your car, I'm fine with deportation. My wife has managed to live in this country for 5 years without breaking the law in these ways.

Conrad

May's objective here is to compel UK firms to do what they always used to do when planning for future labour needs; Get in with local schools, offer and on the job training, and NOT abandoning local communities in favour of cheaper ready made migrants.



Anyone not getting behind this is part of the naïve, careless liberal elite under who's watch life would get worse and worse for working class people


Yes Farmers need to pay FAIR WAGES, to attract UK workers instead of cheap migrants and yes this means us acting like responsible adults and paying a little more / eating a little less


The virtue signalling liberal elite are not on the side of the working class and any laws they introduced would keep wages lower than they would be in the absence of MASS immigration. They wouldn't;'t protect the self employed at all - liberals never mention the grubby self employed

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

If you invited someone to live in your home and they stole £5 from your wallet, would you happily allow them to stay?

No, I would want them deported, hung, drawn and quartered and then deported once again.
Come on Rinoa, you can do better.

setmefree2

Good to know we have friends.

Commonwealth Offers to Help U.K. Navigate Brexit Shock via Trade

Countries that once helped form the British Empire can help support the U.K. economy through its transition away from the European Union, according to a report by the Commonwealth.
The study released on Wednesday estimated the U.K. to be the fourth most important market for the 53-member Commonwealth’s exports.

Patricia Scotland, the group’s secretary general, will tell central bankers and finance ministers from the bloc at a meeting in Washington this week that they can help Britain move from “shock to solutions.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-04/commonwealth-offers-to-help-u-k-navigate-brexit-shock-via-trade

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

Labour can claim to be more compassionate, but without a clear plan for winning back power, it doesn't amount to much.

Labour also need to be smarter...

Labour doesn't need a plan.
The Tories are about to commit political and economical suicide with their lurch towards a 'hard' brexit.
Rampant inflation and economic decline aren't exactly vote winners.

setmefree2

"Ireland is now looking at the very real possibility of the UK leaving the EU by 2019 and this move will affect indigenous Irish exporters more than most given the close bi-lateral trade agreement that exists between us."
The IEA chief highlighted the importance of nailing down a trade deal with the UK after it executes Article 50.

http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/irish-exporters-report-140bn-in-turnover-ahead-of-brexit-35103774.html

setmefree2

Interesting letter from Malcolm Rifkind in FT

Sir, Gideon Rachman chastises Theresa May (“May walks into a Brexit trap”, October 4) for announcing that formal negotiations to leave the EU will begin by March 2017. He suggests that she has “walked into a trap” by making this announcement before having “assurances on what an interim trade agreement would look like in the long period between the UK leaving the bloc and a definitive new deal being put into place”.
I have no difficulty in agreeing with Mr Rachman that it would be very welcome if the EU was to give such assurances either now or over the next few months.
He must know, however, that the EU has no intention of doing so in advance of Article 50 being activated and formal negotiations having begun.
The UK has no leverage to force them to change their minds. What threats or other pressure could Mrs May have exercised? The harsh reality is that the EU will decline to engage or give any assurances for the very reasons that Mr Rachman explains later in his article. For the time being, they want to deter any other EU state that might be thinking of copying Brexit.
The prime minister was, indeed, under political pressure to announce when Brexit negotiations would begin. However, in responding she was not being “reckless” but recognising the very limited leverage the UK has.
The situation should, however, improve by next spring. If Marine Le Pen does not become president of France on May 7 the EU will relax and serious negotiations will then begin.

Sir Malcolm Rifkind
London SW1, UK

https://www.ft.com/content/b03a5670-8a36-11e6-8aa5-f79f5696c731