If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

CLAPTON wrote: »

why does the fact that Brits live in EU countries mean that the EU should determine our laws and our immigration policy?
Brits live in many other countries also but they don't expect to determine our laws or our immigration policy.

what relevance is there to the fact that Brits live all over the world?

are those Brits putting pressure on the housing market in those respective countries?
how do you feel about that?
do you think we can impose restrictions on EU nationals in the UK and expect British nationals to roam and settle in the EU without limitations?
what do you think Spain's (or any other EU country) residence eligibility criteria for British expats should be after brexit?
what do you think will happen to those Brits who don't meet them?
will Spain be worse or better off without those Brits clogging up their roads and driving up their house prices?
do you have any idea?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

are those Brits putting pressure on the housing market in those respective countries?
how do you feel about that?
do you think we can impose restrictions on EU nationals in the UK and expect British nationals to roam and settle in the EU without limitations?
what do you think Spain's (or any other EU country) residence eligibility criteria for British expats should be after brexit?
what do you think will happen to those Brits who don't meet them?
will Spain be worse or better off without those Brits clogging up their roads and driving up their house prices?
do you have any idea?

I would think the housing situation is various countries and various places within those countries varies from place to place.
In some there might be unwanted pressure and in some there might not.
Where the pressure is unreasonable and substantially adversely affects their own citizens then they should take appropriate action.
I don't know what the attitude of the EU or individual countries in the EU will be and neither do you.
I would think that individual countries would take a pragmatic view as to their own best interest. In many places in e.g. Spain I would think that the locals welcome the UK money : it's up to them what they do.
In fact I would expect them to act very much like the other 300 countries in the world.
I would expect both sides would negotiate in a mature and rational manner :
I am aware that many europhoiles think that the EU will be vindictive and malicious even to the point of shafting their own people but I think better of them. If I'm wrong and they are malicious and vindictive and self harm their own people, then I would take the view that all decent people would wish to rid themselves of such vile masters.

However that's as maybe : I don't wish the EU to determine our laws or control our immigration. I would wish for a smaller population or at least one without large and continuous growth and wish that young people in London and the SE could live in a family sized home.
I wish no less for the people of the EU.

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

Can't remember if this has been mentioned but thought I'd bring it up again.

The US has already made it clear it has no interest in a FTA with a newly isolated UK.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/oct/29/us-warns-britain-it-could-face-trade-barriers-if-it-leaves-eu

The EU doesn't have a free trade agreement with the US now.
But if one were concluded, I note that UK cars might suffer a 2.5% tariff compared to the EU

In any event the present US administration has less than a year to run.

Conrad

British expats tend to support often delicate economies such as those of Spain and Portugal. We do not tend to rock up as penniless spongers happy to undermine local self employed and employed incomes.
We tend to have jobs line-up or be self -sufficient with our own pension incomes etc.


As to Remainiacs spreading fear, Brits will remain vital for local economics in SPain et al, no one will be sent home, lol

Conrad

CLAPTON wrote: »

The EU doesn't have a free trade agreement with the US now.
But if one were concluded, I note that UK cars might suffer a 2.5% tariff compared to the EU

In any event the present US administration has least than a year to run.

Swings-n-rbouts.


Nations often struggle to do trade deals with the EU as they have the complex risks of accommodating the disparate and varying needs of 28 states. For example the US complained they had to wrestle with tens of thousands of considerations from Greek FETA rules to Spannish chicken washing methods.

prosaver

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I thought it was cast in stone

mayonnaise

prosaver wrote: »

I thought it was cast in stone

It is. Don't confuse a twitter feed with facts.

Thrugelmir

CLAPTON wrote: »

But if one were concluded, I note that UK cars might suffer a 2.5% tariff compared to the EU

I'm sure GM and Ford carry some lobbying weight in Congress.

gfplux

CLAPTON wrote: »

There is no certainty either in or out of the EU:

The rules of the EU on CAP can and have changed many times.

There is NO possibility of that a government, wanting to stay in the EU, will provide guidelines for what might happen if we leave except to say how awful it will be. It is the government plan to scare people into remaining in the EU.
Just like you are doing now : asking questions you KNOW the government will refuse to answer and then using their corruption to justify staying.

There will be a substantial transition period of 2 years to get the brexit rules and regulations in place.

I think you miss my point. Those questions I and others pose are addressed to the Politiciens in the out camp. I am fully aware that the Government with their "leap in the dark" phrasing of the debate will not answer. However we should expect those urging out to have some of the answers.
Further the 2 or more years will be very busy after Brexit for our civil servants and Politiciens. Will they remember or have the time or even care about things like subsidies, mobile phone roaming charges and the 1000's of other things that might matter to you and me but not to Westminster.

michaels

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I'm sure GM and Ford carry some lobbying weight in Congress.

Do you mean the Ford who have major investments in engine manufacture in the UK or GM who assemble cars here?