If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

vivatifosi wrote: »

I voted in but find Juncker unsuitable as a leader of the EU. He continues to fiddle while Brussels burns. He doesn't like the UK and favours the Franco German axis within the EU. Besides which he drinks too much and isn't up to the job.

Consider these two statements he made and reflect on how he balances the equal rights of the EU membership:

On the UK leaving the EU (said before Brexit):

Deserters will not be welcomed back.... the UK will have to get used to being a third party state.

On why France had repeatedly been given leeway on its budget deficits:

Because it's France.

Not very even handed.

There was a very long and fair assessment on Juncker written fir Politico just before the referendum. It's worth a read.

http://www.politico.eu/article/the-time-of-jean-claude-juncker-troubles-european-commission-president-investment-plan-travel-meetings-scheduled/

It's not my job to defend Mr Juncker, he is perfectly capable of doing that himself when he can be bothered. What many like about the man is his straight talking. That is not the normal Politiciens approach and while making many enemies he has sufficient "friends" to be sitting in a very powerful chair.
Considering two statements (I take it you are quoting directly from the original language he spoke in. Links please.) from him in isolation proves nothing but that he has a sense of humour.
A little like the quote spoken in English when referring to Brexit just after the referendum "The divorce will not be easy, it was always a difficult marriage"

Mortgagefreeman

gfplux wrote: »

Mr Juncker is a seasoned politician and is not easily embarrassed. One of his assets is his ability to represent those Various national interests together.

Another of his assets is he's frequently pi55ed, which is probably why he's not easily embarrassed. I doubt he can remember.:rotfl:

Conrad

Remain predictions;

UK will break up.
An immediate recession putting a bomb under economy.

Rapid rising interest rates and a 28% house price fall.
Emergency punishment budget.

Reduced state pension.
And far more besides.


The markets would have already priced in a crash if there was going to one and for sure the shock of the vote was the high point in terms of anxiety.

As we predicted, people soon adjust and the two year transition will be seemless and painless.

Indeed the opportunities far outweigh the risks and any downside. Triggering A 50 will create no more than a ripple in the minds of those of a nervous disposition.

All nations have access to single market, the task now is to scuplt the terms, and for all sorts of reasons the terms will be good, but in any event the SM terms we have now are vastly over rated, act as a closed shop protection racket benefiting lobbying sectors and carry huge negative consequences for our economy.

Lots of nations successfully export into the EU with no deal whatsoever. Also never forget 40 - 53 nations, depending how you count it, have free trade deals with RU, most of them tiny nations and principalities.

Brexit is the greatest opportunity of our age.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Everyone just wants to know if it will be tariffs or no tariffs out of the EU whatever the deal. End of. How difficult can it be for someone from no 10 to say what's likely. They're all over the place.

You need to ask the EU.

Only they can say what they are prepared to offer - and as all 27 countries have to agree they don't even know themselves yet.

Conrad

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Everyone just wants to know if it will be tariffs or no tariffs out of the EU whatever the deal. End of. How difficult can it be for someone from no 10 to say what's likely. They're all over the place.

As someone in another thread that shows a propensity to look down your nose at the easily lead, dumb English from a priveledge seat on planet sanctimony, I'm surprised you have aired this incredibly simplistic view of how we should spout off about tariffs, revealing our hand up front.

Tariffs would be collected at double value by us as we buy twice as much as we sell. There are lots of other reasons trade will not be hampered.

Once again all comes back to common sense

Those that allowed themselves to be coyed and steered by fear I would say are those that were more easily lead, whereas those with an independent mind able to reason calmly were those that em raced change rather than be terrified of it

buglawton

I take most of the DMs articles with a hopper of salt but found the 'Poor on 50k' one completely believable:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3759081/Why-families-earning-50-000-broke-end-month-figures-say-couldn-t-pay-unexpected-bill-500-four-explain-money-goes.html

But it must be remembered, when you open a property market to the world, you only need 0.0001% of people to be in the affordability range to find cash buyers.

A developer being interviewed in that video stated quite openly that many projects would not even get planned/get built without foreign cash. (and with that would go the 'affordable housing' quota fwiw)

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

What is the plan for the EU?

I confess that I don't know what it is.

It might depend who you ask.

I'm far more interested in the UK's governments plan for Brexit as it will profoundly change our lives. Also, I have a vote, and whilst it's not much, it does mean I have a small amount of influence.

What's the plan for the EU? Who knows? I find I'm caring less because there's little point in worrying about stuff you can't change.

I think it'll come to pass that many of the vague scary stories about EU armies and ever closer union, for example, will never come to pass but they served their purpose. I wish the UK had been more engaged in the EU rather than acting like a sulky teenager but they didn't and now we're leaving so our influence over the EU's plans has lessened.

I also suspect that all bad things for years to come will remain the fault of the EU - Gordon Brown will be glad that we won't have to take all the heat anymore.

Conrad

Rinoa wrote: »

You need to ask the EU.

Only they can say what they are prepared to offer - and as all 27 countries have to agree they don't even know themselves yet.

I might be inclined to frame this slightly differently. We are not a conquered people to be offered terms by an occupying force.

My approach might be to tell the EU we are leaving but will allow them to continue to access our lucrative market on a continued free trade basis along with other beneficial access such as to our fishing waters. Remember Germany makes $60 bn a year on trade with us, but a loss with China, and can I'll avoid not only to cough up a bigger contribution in EU coffers, but also take a hit to trade.

The 27 nation argument is well over stated. The core new contributing nations will have final sway

No way on this Earth can the EU contemplate a hampering of trade, it's already economically sick

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

It's not my job to defend Mr Juncker, he is perfectly capable of doing that himself when he can be bothered. What many like about the man is his straight talking. That is not the normal Politiciens approach and while making many enemies he has sufficient "friends" to be sitting in a very powerful chair.
Considering two statements (I take it you are quoting directly from the original language he spoke in. Links please.) from him in isolation proves nothing but that he has a sense of humour.
A little like the quote spoken in English when referring to Brexit just after the referendum "The divorce will not be easy, it was always a difficult marriage"

A skilled politician can keep perception and intention of what they've said on target. The things Junker says I doubt even the most creative PR/spin merchant could tart up. I've listened to some of the interviews he's given. Whilst it might be a different language sometimes, the tone of his voice doesn't sound like he's delivering anything with humour. They genuinely come across as outright warnings and threats, as if he's some form of EU Godfather figure. He doesn't strike me as popular amongst the EU elite either.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

Mr Juncker is a seasoned politician and is not easily embarrassed. One of his assets is his ability to represent those Various national interests together.

could you give an example were he has represented the various national interest together : would his corrupt fiddling whilst PM of Luxembourg be an example or his liking for the bottle, or his contribution to solving the migration issues?