If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

vivatifosi wrote: »

I voted in but find Juncker unsuitable as a leader of the EU. He continues to fiddle while Brussels burns. He doesn't like the UK and favours the Franco German axis within the EU. Besides which he drinks too much and isn't up to the job.

I don't care much for him. He doesn't seem very pleasant and is overly partisan. I think he also oversteps his brief and is far too political.

He's equivalent to the head of the UK civil service and should act in a similar manner - can anyone name the head of the British civil service or remember when they last saw them in the media?

It's Sir Jeremy Heywood if anyone's interested.

buglawton

RE tariffs: I am wondering how viable it would be if the UK decided initially to have near-free inward trade with a very short list of protected industries getting inward tariffs (agriculture the most obvious candidate).
That would allow a simple and quick 'hard Brexit'.
It would mean that the vast majority of manufactured imports would attract one simple tax - VAT at point of sale - and that's already a hefty 20% thankyou.

Then, after having given all countries exporting to the UK a free trial, we pick off, one by one, those countries that tariff our exports to them, and neatly apply tit-for-tat tariffs - unless a better comprehensive agreement is forthcoming from said country.

Too simple? It sure would dispose of all the Brexuses as to why the UK should act as slowly as it can!

ruelle

So when are we actually going to know if house prices are falling? All these reports are for deals probably done before the EU vote so will it be later this month or October that we see how sold figures have been affected?

As at FTB, I have to say I've noticed more properties going Under Offer recently. I was hoping for a slump but I feel like it might have just been a pause and now people might just be going for it anyway.

wotsthat

buglawton wrote: »

RE tariffs: I am wondering how viable it would be if the UK decided initially to have near-free inward trade with a very short list of protected industries getting inward tariffs (agriculture the most obvious candidate).
That would allow a simple and quick 'hard Brexit'.
It would mean that the vast majority of manufactured imports would attract one simple tax - VAT at point of sale - and that's already a hefty 20% thankyou.

It seems a bit racist to protect white christian farmers at the expense of black African farmers. I thought we wanted to move on from that

CLAPTON

buglawton wrote: »

RE tariffs: I am wondering how viable it would be if the UK decided initially to have near-free inward trade with a very short list of protected industries getting inward tariffs (agriculture the most obvious candidate).
That would allow a simple and quick 'hard Brexit'.
It would mean that the vast majority of manufactured imports would attract one simple tax - VAT at point of sale - and that's already a hefty 20% thankyou.

Then, after having given all countries exporting to the UK a free trial, we pick off, one by one, those countries that tariff our exports to them, and neatly apply tit-for-tat tariffs - unless a better comprehensive agreement is forthcoming from said country.

Too simple? It sure would dispose of all the Brexuses as to why the UK should act as slowly as it can!

whyever is agriculture an exception to free trade?
we import about 25% of our foodstuffs so we will see an immediate fall in prices

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

whyever is agriculture an exception to free trade?
we import about 25% of our foodstuffs so we will see an immediate fall in prices

It's because, in the real world, the UK elites will seek to protect themselves at the expense of others. Leaving the EU won't change this one iota. The first people on the bandwagon would be dairy farmers squealing for new tariffs on EU milk so we can keep buying their overpriced commodity. To most people it unfortunately makes such sense too.

Tariff free rice, mango and bananas - that might be doable but potatoes, milk, rapeseed - forget it.

ruggedtoast

America, the EU and now Australia. Britain is lining up to be at the back of the queue for new trade deals.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/australia-says-there-will-not-be-a-brexit-trade-deal-with-uk-for-years-a7229366.html

Maybe there is a solution to all this. The 52% of people who voted Brexit can pay Brexit prices when they go to the shops or just not be able to buy some things at all, they can be stopped at the border when they try and go to France, and if they go into a business in the UK and there is a European person there, then that person will just ignore them as though they don't exist.

The rest of us can carry on in the 21st Century. I would be quite happy with this.

buglawton

CLAPTON wrote: »

whyever is agriculture an exception to free trade?
we import about 25% of our foodstuffs so we will see an immediate fall in prices

If we allowed tariff free import from ALL countries, UK agriculture would promptly collapse. All countries try to strategically keep the national agriculture sector=part of food supply protected.

buglawton

glasgowdan wrote: »

Or, worded another way, "more than two thirds of Brits have plenty spare cash each month".

Probably 'cos they're living at home with their parents

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

I'm far more interested in the UK's governments plan for Brexit as it will profoundly change our lives. Also, I have a vote, and whilst it's not much, it does mean I have a small amount of influence.
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Well, we each make our own assessment.

The vote was about remaining in this club known as the EU, so it seemed reasonable to know about the long term prosperity plans for said club.

All I have gleaned is that it is more about political ambitions than economic ones.

I have little faith it can adapt to changing world conditions either. Reform is clearly not in its nature.

It's moot anyway. The decision has been made. Long term the UK and the EU paths will diverge. We won't feature in their future plans, whatever they might be.