If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's no negotiating stance to give away. No 10 don't have one.

You'd like to think that. The reality is you're just guessing.

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

a huge problem with the brexit is the large number of remainers and EU people who simply don't understand the concept that trade brings benefits (profit, money) to both partners in the trade.

another problem is even amoungst those that do understand the basics of the benefits of trade, many of those feel that EU elitist political objectives are more important than the wealthfare of EU citizens

as these people haven't understood the basics for over 40 years, its very unlikley they will master them in the next 2 years.

The EU has created a single market of 28 countries. The EU has free trade agreement with 50 countries.

What specific countries / trade blocs are more open to free trade than the EU?

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

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If the government look as though they don't know what they want it's probably because they don't - there is no plan.

What is the plan for the EU?

I confess that I don't know what it is.

It might depend who you ask.

If you ask the core original members, or people like Tusk, it would be for a much tighter more integrated EU, with common functions and policies.

If you ask the relatively new entrants to the EU, the response might be somewhat different.

It strikes me that coming up with a definitive plan for a group of 28 very different countries is always going to be a moving target.

What does seem clear is that we won't figure in any of their plans long term.

Thrugelmir

Kohoutek wrote: »

What specific countries / trade blocs are more open to free trade than the EU?

The EU has some would say imposed tariffs in certain areas to protect European Markets (i.e. jobs in state owned industries). Also tariffs imposed are not uniform. India certainly feels disadvantaged.

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

The EU has created a single market of 28 countries. The EU has free trade agreement with 50 countries.

What specific countries / trade blocs are more open to free trade than the EU?

clearly the EU has NOT created a single market which is tariff and non tariff free for all products and services:
it has created a market in which some products and services are tariff free although de facto non-tariff barriers exist.
Its regulation prevent new medicines being introduced that may well save huge number of lives and it standardisation and rules prevent new products from being introduced.

Trade agreements do not means that there is unrestricted free trade in all products and services.

I hope that the UK will be an example of a country with the maximum amount of free trade in due course.

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

clearly the EU has NOT created a single market which is tariff and non tariff free for all products and services:
it has created a market in which some products and services are tariff free although de facto non-tariff barriers exist.
Its regulation prevent new medicines being introduced that may well save huge number of lives and it standardisation and rules prevent new products from being introduced.

Trade agreements do not means that there is unrestricted free trade in all products and services.

I hope that the UK will be an example of a country with the maximum amount of free trade in due course.

So you can't name a single country / bloc which is more open?

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

I hope that the UK will be an example of a country with the maximum amount of free trade in due course.

how would you feel about a free trade and free movement arrangement with the USA (maybe even extending to Aus/Canada). not that I think its remotely possible soon (the free movement bit) more of a fun 'what if'. I would assume the movement between the two would be far more even than with the EU/UK, or maybe even UK movement to the USA would outnumber the reverse possibly by some margin.

I wonder if either side would be agreeable and to what extent. On initial thought I would welcome it but on second thoughts I would probably not as it might gut the country and especially London of its population but since you seem to view things differently in that respect maybe you would welcome a falling population migrating away.

If longer term (25-50 years) we see something like the above happen as a result of the Brexit it may end up quite a good move

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

So you can't name a single country / bloc which is more open?

I have insufficient information about the 50 trade deals and what they hold

however the EU discriminates in agricultural products with most countries in the world.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

how would you feel about a free trade and free movement arrangement with the USA (maybe even extending to Aus/Canada). not that I think its remotely possible soon (the free movement bit) more of a fun 'what if'. I would assume the movement between the two would be far more even than with the EU/UK, or maybe even UK movement to the USA would outnumber the reverse possibly by some margin.

I wonder if either side would be agreeable and to what extent. On initial thought I would welcome it but on second thoughts I would probably not as it might gut the country and especially London of its population but since you seem to view things differently in that respect maybe you would welcome a falling population migrating away.

If longer term (25-50 years) we see something like the above happen as a result of the Brexit it may end up quite a good move

whilst your conjectures are not without interest (e.g. that every single murderous ISIL rapist is your cousin or we should welcome all such ISIL killers as in 100 generations their descentants will be indistingishable from mine), I am a practical sort of person and so am mainly interested in sort of real life conjectures.

I simply want to offer the people of the UK the best possible quality of life and I don't think your vision of a population in the 100 of millions is one of my favourites.

buglawton

Since we're all speaking in secret code, here's the plain English: Brexit sparks overseas spending spree in London property (video)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-uk-leaves-the-eu-37260267

With one agent claiming a tenfold increase in foreign buyer interest.
And foreign buyers are now wising up to the UK's wonky stamp duty and may be changing their buying strategies. Namely, ignoring overpriced vanity developments.

All as I predicted months ago on MSE much to everyone else's incredulity.