If we vote for Brexit what happens

Thrugelmir

Kohoutek wrote: »

And what about youth unemployment in the UK (given this whole debate is about the UK's position, not those countries' positions)?

Why the narrow focus on the UK? Instability in Europe impacts us all. As history taught us last century. What happens in the EU will influence trade etc in the future.

Kohoutek

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why the narrow focus on the UK? Instability in Europe impacts us all. As history taught us last century. What happens in the EU will influence trade etc in the future.

Well, the debate was about whether the EU works for the UK, not whether the EU works for Italy, Spain etc. As much as some people here would probably want it, the UK can't force other countries to leave the EU.

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

Well, the debate was about whether the EU works for the UK, not whether the EU works for Italy, Spain etc. As much as some people here would probably want it, the UK can't force other countries to leave the EU.

so your only concern about the EU is whether it is in the interest of the UK and youself and you have no moral compass about the harm it does to anyone else?

Kohoutek

CLAPTON wrote: »

so your only concern about the EU is whether it is in the interest of the UK and youself and you have no moral compass about the harm it does to anyone else?

Well, the whole debate was about whether it was in the UK's interests to stay in the EU or leave and various reasons were given by both sides. Clearly you missed the point by quite a large margin if you thought it was a debate about the morality of the EU as an institution.

mwpt

Yes, I accept that youth unemployment is high in a number of European countries. But note, there are also a number of countries where youth unemployment is either low, or medium. We should also look at what happens to people after the youth bracket, do they enter the workforce gradually?

Also coincidentally, the EU was "working" for these countries until 2008, then the GFC hit and suddenly the EU didn't work.

Eg:
http://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/embed/?s=greeceyouunerat&v=201609011259n&d1=19160101&d2=20161231&h=300&w=600

So yes, I accept that the EU is not perfect, and a lot of that blame goes to the Euro currency. I believe that was an incorrect concept. Does that mean I write off the entire EU concept? Nope.

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

Well, the whole debate was about whether it was in the UK's interests to stay in the EU or leave and various reasons were given by both sides. Clearly you missed the point by quite a large margin if you thought it was a debate about the morality of the EU as an institution.

Unless we can say WHY unemployment is high in some countries and low in others then we CAN'T say that either is DUE to the EU.
So we in the UK may be MUCH better off if we were outside the EU.

And if you think politics and economics etc is moral value free, you are massively mistaken.

Shakethedisease

Today was awful for the first day back of parliament. No answers other than 'Brexit means Brexit because that's what it means'. Terrible.

The Conservatives and the cabinet can't surely keep this up much longer. And to be frank I can't really see what the point is in delaying it greatly. They can spend eons working out what they're going to negotiate for... only for the EU to say no anyway. Might as well get on with the blerdy thing getting activated so we all know one way or the other.

mwpt

Well, another day, another different view on what brexit might look like. Now, "single market access is improbable" because Tories don't want freedom of movement.

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/brexit-minister-says-single-market-access-improbable/a946336

So looks like the middle ground compromise might not be in sight after all

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Well, another day, another different view on what brexit might look like. Now, "single market access is improbable" because Tories don't want freedom of movement.

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/brexit-minister-says-single-market-access-improbable/a946336

So looks like the middle ground compromise might not be in sight after all

one certainly hopes that the full brexit plan is available before the SNP plan for which currency they would use, how scots banks (if any left) will have a lender of last resort and how scottish government deficit will be funded if iscotland occurs : 30 years and still no answers

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Well, another day, another different view on what brexit might look like. Now, "single market access is improbable" because Tories don't want freedom of movement.

http://citywire.co.uk/new-model-adviser/news/brexit-minister-says-single-market-access-improbable/a946336

So looks like the middle ground compromise might not be in sight after all

There is no different view. It was made perfectly clear yesterday that some changes to FoM would be required by the UK.
Just because you didn't understand that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

If that cannot be delivered by the EU (as is their right of course) then clearly there will be no agreement.

I did allude to the issue of how this theoretical compromise deal you were all ******* over would go down in other countries, but as per you simply ignored that paricular challenge....