If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

Manifestos at least provide a degree of commitment. They say "judge us on these key policies". Yes, some are broken, but they largely give a sense of what a vote for a particular party will lead to. It's also worth noting that elections aren't binary 'Yes/No' questions. Most people have upwards of 6/7 MP candidates to choose from, all standing for different outcomes.

There was nothing of the sort when it came to the referendum. If one leave voter wants to sever all ties, whilst the other wants to retain free movement, who gets what they want?

I stand by my assertation - EU membership has too many shades of grey to be reduced to a binary question.

a straightforward stay/leave was the only practical way for people to have a say

they may or may not get what they want, exactly like in a GE.

mrginge

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

Oh absolutely. Neither argument was perfect and there were absolutely uncertainties with remaining, but I would argue that the results were easier to forecast.

However, when you have claims such as the ones that were made by the Leave campaign made people who aren't in a position to enact said claims, then you have a problem in my opinion.

Do you have an equal problem with claims that we would be in recession by now, or that house prices would be 18% lower, or that we would be having emergency budgets, or that pensions would be hit for thousands or that each household would be £4,300 worse off?

Thrugelmir

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

I stand by my assertation - EU membership has too many shades of grey to be reduced to a binary question.

The EU itself has not provided an answer to Europe's problems. The same issues still exist as did many years ago. If anything they are becoming worse. With many young people without work. Leaving their homelands doesn't provide the long term solution either.

mwpt

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The EU itself has not provided an answer to Europe's problems. The same issues still exist as did many years ago. If anything they are becoming worse. With many young people without work. Leaving their homelands doesn't provide the long term solution either.

I'm not sure what there is to debate in this post because you seem to mostly limit yourself to short, subjective statements presented as fact.

So I'll just say: I disagree and think your view is incorrect.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

I'm not sure what there is to debate in this post because you seem to mostly limit yourself to short, subjective statements presented as fact.

So I'll just say: I disagree and think your view is incorrect.

it would be interesting to hear your objective facts about how the EU has provided solutions to youth unemployment in Greece, Spain etc

TrickyTree83

Whatever happens, it would be good for the UK if the EU did actually solve these problems and become enormously prosperous, even though we're leaving we should still work towards mutual benefit. Them getting their ducks in a row will help towards that.

Junker appears to be a problem though.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

I'm not sure what there is to debate in this post because you seem to mostly limit yourself to short, subjective statements presented as fact.

So I'll just say: I disagree and think your view is incorrect.

You disagree that youth unemployment is not an issue? It's a fact.

May 2016

Greece 50%
Spain 43%
Italy 36%
Croatia 31%
Portugal 28%
Cyprus 27%
Slovakia 25%
France 23%
Finland 21%
Romania 21%.
Belgium 20%

Discuss.

Or is it too factual for you?

I actually didn't feel the need to spell this out. As is a long standing issue. If one follows European news.

TrickyTree83

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You disagree that youth unemployment is not an issue? It's a fact.

May 2016

Greece 50%
Spain 43%
Italy 36%
Croatia 31%
Portugal 28%
Cyprus 27%
Slovakia 25%
France 23%
Finland 21%
Romania 21%.
Belgium 20%

Discuss.

Or is it too factual for you?

I actually didn't feel the need to spell this out. As is a long standing issue. If one follows European news.

A very sad situation, hopefully a richer UK can buy more from them increasing their opportunities in the coming years.

Kohoutek

Thrugelmir wrote: »

You disagree that youth unemployment is not an issue? It's a fact.

May 2016

Greece 50%
Spain 43%
Italy 36%
Croatia 31%
Portugal 28%
Cyprus 27%
Slovakia 25%
France 23%
Finland 21%
Romania 21%.
Belgium 20%

Discuss.

Or is it too factual for you?

I actually didn't feel the need to spell this out. As is a long standing issue. If one follows European news.

And what about youth unemployment in the UK (given this whole debate is about the UK's position, not those countries' positions)?

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

And what about youth unemployment in the UK (given this whole debate is about the UK's position, not those countries' positions)?

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05871

626,000 young people aged 16-24 were unemployed in April-June 2016, down 5,000 from the previous quarter and down 105,000 compared to a year ago.

The unemployment rate (the proportion of the economically active population who are unemployed) for 16-24 year olds was 13.7%, down from 15.8% a year ago.

of course we have the huge disadvantage of large numbers of young immigrants that swell our youth unemployment figures whilst many of th eEU countries have huge emmigration which reduces theirs.