If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

setmefree2 wrote: »

Tbh since we voted Brexit I have found that the Remainers are the least informed. Those who voted Leave had to think hard about what they were doing and why and have a deeper understanding of the issues than those who just voted for the status quo.

I don't know about that, some of the remain supporters views on here are sound and rational. I don't agree with all of them, I agree mostly with Daniel Hannan that we can improve trade with the rest of the world at the expense of a seat at the EU table by taking EEA membership.

If I plotted where I stand on the EU vote on a graph I would be closer to remain than I would be to the views of UKIP.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I agree mostly with Daniel Hannan that we can improve trade with the rest of the world at the expense of a seat at the EU table by taking EEA membership.

EEA membership with access to the single market and free movement would suit a large majority of remain voters I'd imagine.

Whether the EEA option is acceptable to the kippers, the claptons and the rest of the rabid bigots brigade is another matter.

Samsonite1

setmefree2 wrote: »

Positive News



https://next.ft.com/content/e943404c-4e5b-11e6-88c5-db83e98a590a

Apparently we need several hundred trade negotiators!

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

EEA membership with access to the single market and free movement would suit a large majority of remain voters I'd imagine.

Whether the EEA option is acceptable to the kippers, the claptons and the rest of the rabid bigots brigade is another matter.

And there's your problem.

People outside London and Scotland will end up wondering whether their vote will ever count.

You might as well just rebrand the North of England as UKIPsville.

There was a program on the other night charting the rise of Trump.

You could see exactly the same mood of disenfranchisement in large chunks of the USA.

TrickyTree83

kabayiri wrote: »

And there's your problem.

People outside London and Scotland will end up wondering whether their vote will ever count.

You might as well just rebrand the North of England as UKIPsville.

There was a program on the other night charting the rise of Trump.

You could see exactly the same mood of disenfranchisement in large chunks of the USA.

There were murmurings that the German equivalent of the CBI was suggesting to the UK before the vote that free movement of labour would be in line with the single market principles, which is an entirely different proposition to free movement of people.

If there was EEA membership with free movement of labour (i.e. you need a job before you come) then it would appear to be a sensible middle ground.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

And there's your problem.

People outside London and Scotland will end up wondering whether their vote will ever count.

You might as well just rebrand the North of England as UKIPsville.

There was a program on the other night charting the rise of Trump.

You could see exactly the same mood of disenfranchisement in large chunks of the USA.

Although the thought is godawful maybe we need another referendum to find out what people want a post EU UK to look like.

gfplux

michaels wrote: »

Do we import a lot of bananas from the EU?!

Consumer food prices in the EU are a prime example of the impact of 'rent seeking' that some on this forum claim to detest. Honestly if the 'market' for food is your best reason for wanting to be in the the EU then you are probably as far from being a free-market libertarian as you can get.

Perhaps we should move into safer areas like the environment where the EU is protecting German solar panel producers at huge expense to renewable energy generation whilst allowing them to subsidise their coal(!) industry.

Or the humble vacuum cleaner where EU 'energy efficiency' rules are designed to favour German producers less efficient bag technology against innovative cyclone technology.

Or perhaps you wonder why despite all the advances in clean vehicle technology city air seems to be gettign no less toxic - would that be EU rules favouring diesel vehicles as this allowed much crowing about CO2 reductions despite the local damage to children's lungs - anyone would think the big EU manufacturers, especially in Germany, were committed to Diesel technology....

Oh and did you get caught out by a scammer? Perhaps he/she had previous form but luckily under the EU directive there is a right for the past to be forgotten right down to search engines in Europe being blocked from displaying 100% factual information that forms part of the public record so when you googled to check then out the relevant information was hidden from you.

Isn't all that in the past. While we were at the table our Ministers allowed it to happen.
What is past is past.
Let's make sure our Ministers now work on our behalf. One positive of Brexit will be there will be no one to blame but ourselves.

gfplux

Politically, things get even dicier. The 1998 Good Friday Agreement created a delicate power-sharing structure within Northern Ireland that was marked by compromise and ambiguity. The Protestants implicitly conceded that it was reasonable for Catholics to pursue closer ties with Ireland, while the Catholics implicitly conceded that formal unification with Ireland was unlikely. The free flow of people and trade enabled by the EU allowed Catholics to pursue those ties without requiring actual unification.

Creating a hard border could reignite those tensions. "If you’re setting up a border again, it brings back that ‘us-versus-them’ mentality and the echoes of confrontation, which has been broken down a lot in the past generation," says Moloney.
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/28/12051644/brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland

That's why I say it will be a tricky problem.

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

Politically, things get even dicier. The 1998 Good Friday Agreement created a delicate power-sharing structure within Northern Ireland that was marked by compromise and ambiguity. The Protestants implicitly conceded that it was reasonable for Catholics to pursue closer ties with Ireland, while the Catholics implicitly conceded that formal unification with Ireland was unlikely. The free flow of people and trade enabled by the EU allowed Catholics to pursue those ties without requiring actual unification.

Creating a hard border could reignite those tensions. "If you’re setting up a border again, it brings back that ‘us-versus-them’ mentality and the echoes of confrontation, which has been broken down a lot in the past generation," says Moloney.
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/28/12051644/brexit-irish-border-northern-ireland

That's why I say it will be a tricky problem.

I'd be surprised if anyone wanted a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Everyone there will want to continue to persue peace and the structure is there to achieve it now.

Crashy_Time

Grenage wrote: »

Everyone knew it was on the cards, they promised the referendum three bloody years ago.

That`s a joke I take it?