If we vote for Brexit what happens

Yolina

I'm in a bit of a stroppy mood today (well it is Monday morning after all) so here's my mini rant

I'm French and I've been in the UK since 1994, so most of my adult life. I like it here but if you lot vote out and make it a PITA for me to stay, I'll just take my savings, sell my flat and !!!!!! off somewhere else. You can have all the people who've retired in Spain, Portugal, France etc back

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

The European project in it's purest form is aspiring towards a United States of Europe.

I don't want to be part of that. I'm glad Cameron has made it clear the UK is not part of that - that we are not part of "ever closer union". I would vote Leave if I thought that was what I was voting for. I'm voting to stay in a trading block.

wymondham

setmefree2 wrote: »

I don't want to be part of that. I'm glad Cameron has made it clear the UK is not part of that - that we are not part of "ever closer union". I would vote Leave if I thought that was what I was voting for. I'm voting to stay in a trading block.

if he does not want to be a part of that then how can he stay? surely its all or nothing otherwise nobody is happy...?

zarf2007

Moby wrote: »

It also gives me satisfaction that in June I will be voting for the progressive, modernising option that is inclusive and embraces diversity rather than the narrow bigoted fearful view of the world epitomised by your 1950's throwback hero Nigel Farage.;)

Is that the progressive option which involves allowing that stream of skilled workers (car washers) into the UK unchecked, to place the NHS and Schools system under further strain (has anyone tried to teach in a class where the kids speak 10 native languages that are not english?)....but hey we can't mention that, as any kind of criticism to you left wing idiots is deemed racist....rather than common sense.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

with our massive trade deficit a fall in the pound is good for exports

However, with our massive current account deficit we might start to have funding issues at the long end of the gilt curve.......

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You are just being totally partial in your choice of examples and where exactly did I say I wanted to withdraw from the world? Prejudice, discrimination etc are present all over the world, as demonstrated in the little englander, McCarthyite attitudes you exude. I believe an unreconstructed post war Europe would have been infinitely worse. There are always faults with such a massive project but they are inconsequential when you see the gain of a Europe free of the turmoil of war experienced for centuries prior to the EU. France and Germany are now so tightly embraced, their futures are bound up together and all the other states of Europe are drawn in. War therefore is hopefully unthinkable now. The injustices you describe are paltry fare compared to that huge gain! We need to be part of the future direction of this project. The world is coalescing into blocks. We need to be part of our natural block and it is not India, Canada etc - that would be thinking like a colonialist! We are first and foremost Europeans. Our big neighbours are France and Germany. Whatever they are up to we need to be part of. Being part of something bigger helps to widen your perspective on life. By the way I didnt know the EU was responsible for discrimination of the Roma. I always thought that was a centuries old issue brought to a head by the greatest fascist of all whose ruin led to the birth of the great European project that we will hopefully long be part of.

only an orwellian could describe the wish to trade with all and every nation as mccarthyite (whatever that means)
only an orwellian could describe concern for poorer, often black developing countries as 'paltry injustices' and 'little englander' attitudes and prejudiced views.
However, in truth that is exactly the usual socialist/communist mantra that the end justifies the means : like Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, Livingston justifying the million of killings to make a large monolithic state you dismiss all the wrongs as insignificant:
Looking at the world today, to say war is 'unthinkable now ' does requires a very special kind of person.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

We are first and foremost Europeans.

Sorry. I'm first and foremost English.

setmefree2

Yolina wrote: »

I'm in a bit of a stroppy mood today (well it is Monday morning after all) so here's my mini rant

I'm French and I've been in the UK since 1994, so most of my adult life. I like it here but if you lot vote out and make it a PITA for me to stay, I'll just take my savings, sell my flat and !!!!!! off somewhere else. You can have all the people who've retired in Spain, Portugal, France etc back

I don't won't you to go. I will be voting Remain. I have absolutely no problem with free movement.

michaels

setmefree2 wrote: »

I don't want to be part of that. I'm glad Cameron has made it clear the UK is not part of that - that we are not part of "ever closer union". I would vote Leave if I thought that was what I was voting for. I'm voting to stay in a trading block.

I thought there was a lot of Hoopla about the Lisbon Treaty giving the UK and opt out of 'ever closer union'....how come we need to go through all that again. Does anyone have any confidence that with the current agreement 'this time it will be different'?

setmefree2

wymondham wrote: »

if he does not want to be a part of that then how can he stay? surely its all or nothing otherwise nobody is happy...?

I'm happy with what Cameron got

What Cameron Got -The amending of EU treaties to state explicitly that references to the requirement to seek ever-closer union "do not apply to the United Kingdom", meaning Britain "can never be forced into political integration" . Stressing that the UK is not on the road to deeper integration. “It is recognised that the United Kingdom ... is not committed to further political integration in the European Union ... References to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom.”