If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Samsonite1 wrote: »

Wrong attitude. We don't have the skills in Britain to fill these roles fully, so going the the EU made sense. Other non-EU countries could be fine too. People have jobs now, why should the be booted out.

Self interest? You are quite a piece of work.

What skills don't the people of the UK have? Why don't we develop them?
How many essential jobs do we lack the skills?

No-one sensible has suggested booting anyone out except the vile EU leaders.

Samsonite1

baza52 wrote: »

what's wrong with teaching the skills needed.
I doubt you were born with the skills to do your job.

Why are people from outside the UK better skilled?

Good question. Why are they better skilled? They just are - why would a UK company bother recruiting from outside the UK. I am talking about well paid jobs and skilled jobs. We simply have not produced enough talent to fill all of these roles so we have to look abroad and first stop is the EU. I understand that post-EU we can get talent from other countries still, but why should I not be concerned for EU employees that are worried about their future?

baza52

Samsonite1 wrote: »

Wrong on all counts as per usual. The remain camp made no promises - remaining meant remaining - i.e. no upheaval or uncertainty. Regardless of the potential ideals of change, the vote was purely between "remain the same - no need for promises" or "who knows what will happen".

If you think that voting out was protecting the future without having the first clue about how anything will be achieved then you need to take a look at yourself before stating that you are protecting the future. Creating uncertainty does not protect the future in any way.

My view on the EU was based on how it had changed from what we initially signed up for.
It was obvious the majority wanted immigration capped.
The remain cam said things like " we are working towards" and we will be restricting FULL benefits until they have paid in.
They could offer 99% of the full value of benefits and still be speaking the truth.
Why not say we will STOP non British nationals from receiving ANY benefits......

Simple answer is because they can not.
Its like saying we will stop the majority of EU citizens coming to Britain. All that means is that we could allow up to 50% of them in which could be a huge number.

How is that being honest?

baza52

Samsonite1 wrote: »

Good question. Why are they better skilled? They just are - why would a UK company bother recruiting from outside the UK. I am talking about well paid jobs and skilled jobs. We simply have not produced enough talent to fill all of these roles so we have to look abroad and first stop is the EU. I understand that post-EU we can get talent from other countries still, but why should I not be concerned for EU employees that are worried about their future?

do you think there are more immigrants in skilled work or unskilled work?

Perhaps the fact our schools are overcrowded is contributing to the fact we are not producing enough talent.

Samsonite1

CLAPTON wrote: »

What skills don't the people of the UK have? Why don't we develop them?
How many essential jobs do we lack the skills?

No-one sensible has suggested booting anyone out except the vile EU leaders.

In my sector - legal business analysis skills. We always want to recruit locally but with a lack of talent and a high demand, we have to look to the EU. EU legal skills are more easily transferred to UK-centric needs than other countries.

I agree about nobody booting out people, but I know some of these people and they are very scared right now. No promises made yet, so until they are these people will remain scared.

Samsonite1

baza52 wrote: »

do you think there are more immigrants in skilled work or unskilled work?

What do you think? It works both ways - if there is a lack of talent locally then you would go further afield.

pioneer22

baza52 wrote: »

That may be true but the British are paying for the NHS aren't they.
Fat or thin they have right to use it.

Can you link to the figures your quoting?

McKinley and company research

The worldwide cost of obesity is about the same as smoking or armed conflict and greater than both alcoholism and climate change, research has suggested.
The McKinsey Global Institute said it cost £1.3tn, or 2.8% of annual economic activity - it cost the UK £47bn.

I disagree I don't think we have the right to set and smoke ourselves to death yet someone from the EU can come here with their EHIC card ANC claim treatment.

It's a joke.

baza52

look up how much smokers cost the NHS every year and then look up the tax revenue generated by smokers.

baza52

Samsonite1 wrote: »

What do you think? It works both ways - if there is a lack of talent locally then you would go further afield.

its not a lack of talent its a bigger pond to find fish in.
I'm certain you would still find qualified people to fill the role from the UK

Samsonite1

baza52 wrote: »

its not a lack of talent its a bigger pond to find fish in.
I'm certain you would still find qualified people to fill the role from the UK

No you are wrong. We cannot find the talent and with multi-million pound deals that rely on having people in place, we have to hire someone with the skills. This is fact, there is simply not the volume of skill in this country in the right areas. I wish it was different.