If we vote for Brexit what happens

Out,_Vile_Jelly

vivatifosi wrote: »

I voted remain and feel that Cameron did gain some concessions on this. However I also feel that the EU missed a huge opportunity to avoid these problems by conceding more. They just did not factor an out vote into their equations.

The original Treaty of Rome is based on the free movement of Labour, not people. So I don't understand why people are allowed to eg move to the UK, set up a small business with a view to working a few hours per week and then claim benefits. Is that really the spirit of the original treaty?

Equally I think coming to a country as a worker, you should have limited access to services until you've paid in for a period (say 5 years). You shouldn't have access to unemployment benefits, in work benefits or child tax credits until the end of this period. You should have access to a doctor (anyone could fall ill) and if your children are here then schooling, but that's pretty much it.

There are an awful lot of very hard working EU citizens who graft really hard without claiming anything, but everyone currently is tarred with the same brush. Such measures would sort out why people are coming over and lead to greater self-selection of people who really want to come to work. That in turn would lead to a reduction in numbers.

Further, my colleagues who come from the EU want this, they say they are fed up that people think they have just come here to ride a gravy train when patently they have not. However some people hear a foreign voice and think "taking our money".

Still, this is a philosophical debate now.

See, this is the kind of grown up debate about the future of EU labour movement that we should be able to have. I would happily have voted Remain if I thought the EU were willing to acknowledge and discuss these issues.

If I'd lost my job when I was working in Italy it would never have occurred to me to expect the local taxpayers to pay my rent and give me free money.

Daniel54

mwpt wrote: »

I would be ok with that as a compromise. We should note of course that all of that was within our own power. As far as I understand the EU law says free movement of people and non discrimination. In other words, we are all EU citizens and the laws of a particular country must apply to all EU citizens equally. We have a non contributory benefits system, which means this applies to all EU citizens. If we changed our benefits system to a contribution based one, perhaps where any resident in the UK may only receive benefits after 5 years of living in the country, this would have satisfied your requirements above and left people born in the UK free to claim benefits from 5 years old.

Exactly this.The current rules are

"For stays of over three months: the right of residence is subject to certain conditions. EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period."

This is from

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_2.1.3.html

jimpix12

NewHomeOwner wrote: »

Unless you buy with a massive deposit there's always a risk house prices will go down and you'll get into negative equity because none of us have a crystal ball. And let's not forget that you're not just dependant on house prices. With a repayment mortgage and the ability to overpay it's not ALL out of your hands.

Prices go up. Prices go down. It's a home.

Well it would have been helpful to acknowledge that in your first reply. I suppose 15+ years of constant house price inflation has made a lot of people forget about worse case scenarios.

Archergirl

I voted leave as I thought it had changed far too much from the Common Market we joined. If things were equal it would be different but I think the bits of Europe that are actually joined together get a far better deal between themselves.
The things that get EU money in Spain we can't get here. Why should we have to keep foreigners here who have committed crimes in their own country then again here when they leave jail. Look how much it cost to keep Hamanza here, I believe his family is still here living on benefits although I may be mistaken....

Kohoutek

Archergirl wrote: »

Why should we have to keep foreigners here who have committed crimes in their own country then again here when they leave jail. Look how much it cost to keep Hamanza here, I believe his family is still here living on benefits although I may be mistaken....

That issue is about the application of the European Convention on Human Rights, which is separate from and not related to the EU.

Archergirl

Maybe that one needs looking at as well then......

System

Archergirl wrote: »

The things that get EU money in Spain we can't get here.

Any examples?

lydriver

I can see why people might felay now if they were just looking at houses but if anyone who was at the stage of putting offers in before Brexit is now prepared to wait however long or risks losing a house by offering a lot less than their original offer then they couldn't have been too serious about it in the first place.

iantojones40

lydriver wrote: »

I can see why people might felay now if they were just looking at houses but if anyone who was at the stage of putting offers in before Brexit is now prepared to wait however long or risks losing a house by offering a lot less than their original offer then they couldn't have been too serious about it in the first place.

Not quite sure why someone having concerns about overpaying in falling market equates to them not being serious buyers, just because they're not brainwashed into the usual hpi happy clapping mantra of "you can never pay too much for a house" and "there's never a bad time to buy a house" etc etc

Kohoutek

KPMG's view:

“We are the largest M&A adviser by volume and we have seen half a dozen deals we are working on put on hold in the wake of the vote outcome. Whether this is a short-term wobble or has more lasting ramifications remains to be seen at this stage,” said Briggs.

“We are also engaging international clients and are observing, interestingly, predatory intentions from other European nations considering what competitive advantage a Brexit might mean for them,” she added.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/06/brexit-uncertainty-put-floats-takeovers-hold-kpmg