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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • kinger101
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    gfplux wrote: »
    Today I am thinking about the consequences of Brexit and where we stand today.
    These thoughts were prompted by the discussion about University education.
    I am only thinking of University's in England.
    A few years ago the Government reduced University funding but also allowed the minimum charge to rise to £9000 per year.
    There are presently three main groups of students who are presently studying in England and this being June the most recent arrivals are coming to the end of their first year of a three year degree.
    Please remember these are very rough numbers and statements and hopefully I am not going to be picked up on trivial matters.
    These three groups are
    UK students paying £9000
    EU students paying £9000
    Non EU students who pay +/- £20000
    I am only looking at EU students who are yet to decide to study in England.
    This being June the majority of EU students who have applied and been excepted are at this minute deciding wether to come to England in September. As an EU parent what do you advise your child?
    Further think of all those EU students who will apply through UCAS for the September 2017 entry.
    Those applications can be submitted from this September 6th 2016 with a deadline of January 15th 2017.
    The DEADLINE for Oxford and Cambridge is October 15th 2016.
    Would you as an EU parent or Teacher be advising your child or student to apply with all this uncertainty over free movement and fees for EU students. That is without considering your home country might withdraw what funding and loans that are available for study in Britain.
    What effect if any will this have on student numbers.
    What effect will this have on University funding.
    Apparently 132000 EU students enrolled in 2012
    Does any of this matter?
    Anyone with better knowledge is welcome to critisize my thoughts and numbers.

    I can't see the rules being change mid-way through anyone's degree in a way which wouldn't allow them to complete their studies. In my experience, there aren't that many EU students around anymore, as their home country (or another EU country) is likely to be much cheaper. The exceptions might by Oxbridge.
    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius
  • Thrugelmir
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    gfplux wrote: »
    The Title of this thread should now read
    NOW WE HAVE VOTED FOR BREXIT WHAT HAPPENS

    Life carries on as it always has done.

    Was listening to the CEO of Weatherspoons today. Apparently they buy 90% of their wine from outside of the EU. As it's cheaper. Even allowing for import duty etc. Seems perverse when France is a stones throw away to name but one producer.
  • chucknorris
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    kinger101 wrote: »
    It's not just about the number of university places, and there were undoubtedly fewer back then. Many people who got good very O levels were expected by their families to find work as soon as they left school.

    When I was at uni (graduated in 1990) class sizes were typically about 25 to 35 (plus some larger for cross discipline lectures). I started lecturing 6 years ago, and I was amazed at the number of students in my lectures, it varies from about 50 to 150. Boy, did I have to dumb it down shortly after I first started, their numeracy is especially bad, and I teach quantity surveying modules which are all mostly numerical, so you would expect better from students pursuing a career in quantity surveying. Standards have definitely fallen with the larger number of students these days (as one would expect).
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  • kinger101
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    edited 28 June 2016 at 7:45PM
    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Life carries on as it always has done.

    Was listening to the CEO of Weatherspoons today. Apparently they buy 90% of their wine from outside of the EU. As it's cheaper. Even allowing for import duty etc. Seems perverse when France is a stones throw away to name but one producer.

    It's partly due to production methods. They're more rigorously controlled in most European countries, particularly when it comes to things like density of fruit per hectare. The producers in France would claim it leads to a better product, but it certainly adds to the cost. I had a chat with a guy making sparkling wine in the UK, and he plants at 3 times the density as France.

    The New World wineries tend to be larger as well.
    "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance" - Confucius
  • prowla
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    gfplux wrote: »
    Today I am thinking about the consequences of Brexit and where we stand today.
    These thoughts were prompted by the discussion about University education.
    I am only thinking of University's in England.
    A few years ago the Government reduced University funding but also allowed the minimum charge to rise to £9000 per year.
    There are presently three main groups of students who are presently studying in England and this being June the most recent arrivals are coming to the end of their first year of a three year degree.
    Please remember these are very rough numbers and statements and hopefully I am not going to be picked up on trivial matters.
    These three groups are
    UK students paying £9000
    EU students paying £9000
    Non EU students who pay +/- £20000
    I am only looking at EU students who are yet to decide to study in England.
    This being June the majority of EU students who have applied and been excepted are at this minute deciding wether to come to England in September. As an EU parent what do you advise your child?
    Further think of all those EU students who will apply through UCAS for the September 2017 entry.
    Those applications can be submitted from this September 6th 2016 with a deadline of January 15th 2017.
    The DEADLINE for Oxford and Cambridge is October 15th 2016.
    Would you as an EU parent or Teacher be advising your child or student to apply with all this uncertainty over free movement and fees for EU students. That is without considering your home country might withdraw what funding and loans that are available for study in Britain.
    What effect if any will this have on student numbers.
    What effect will this have on University funding.
    Apparently 132000 EU students enrolled in 2012
    Does any of this matter?
    Anyone with better knowledge is welcome to critisize my thoughts and numbers.
    Did you go to uni?
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  • CLAPTON
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    Joeskeppi wrote: »

    only a fool would judge a house by the footings
  • baza52
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    Joeskeppi wrote: »

    will you be staying in the UK or moving to another European country?
    If you plan to stay then deep down you know it will all be ok in the end.
    Rome wasn't built in a day.
  • System
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    baza52 wrote: »
    will you be staying in the UK or moving to another European country?
    If you plan to stay then deep down you know it will all be ok in the end.

    ... I'm going to take a few days to get my head round this fantastically stupid logic.

    If I moved anywhere it would be with family in Canada.
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  • baza52
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    its only stupid because you don't agree.
    Thankfully the majority of voters do agree with it.
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