If we vote for Brexit what happens

mrginge

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Absolutely; then the UK can come back and tell all the exporting businesses in the UK where they should sell their products. That's exactly how it works.

Are you saying that there is no point in doing any new trade deals since we already sell things to the places that we care about?

Interesting....

wotsthat

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves here.

There seems to be some confusion about what leaving actually means in practical terms. We've got some who think a continuation of free movement would be a betrayal yet the leader of the leave campaign seems to be suggesting that's a possibility.

The referendum is now a distant memory for Boris but we've heard Jeremy Hunt suggest a second referendum is needed to sort out what version of leave people thought they were voting for. Of course, should that happen, then people who voted remain will get to decide what leave looks like too.

Scarpacci

wotsthat wrote: »

When confronted with this UKIP supporters have always said a lack educational qualifications aren't indicative of stupidity because they tend to be older folk and had less access to a decent education in the 'good old days'.

Common misconception. I don't think fewer people had access to a "decent" education a few decades back. There were more grammar schools and better schools overall. The education system started to crumble decades later when the NUTs got control.

It is telling that people nowadays see everything through a prism of university being the only valid education option - even if half of the universities today are nothing but glorified polytechnics throwing off a stream of graduates with Mickey Mouse degrees.

It's a great scam being perpetrated on society that we now believe sending every average Tom, Rick (word filter) or Harry to university is magically leading to a more intelligent country. They're doing to grades what they did to our money - inflating it away.

Yolina

wotsthat wrote: »

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves here.

There seems to be some confusion about what leaving actually means in practical terms. We've got some who think a continuation of free movement would be a betrayal yet the leader of the leave campaign seems to be suggesting that's a possibility.

Plus the longer the UK delays triggering article 50, the more the other EU members are getting p*ssed off - that's really going to help when it come to negotiating

Have the Leave lot really not realised yet that a) to join EFTA/EEA not only will that mean free movement of people but also b) all the EU members + EFTA/EEA members have to agree to it... a single one vetoes, you're screwed

Mistermeaner

mrginge wrote: »

Are you saying that there is no point in doing any new trade deals since we already sell things to the places that we care about?

Interesting....

no I didn't say that - why do you think I did when the words I used were very different?.


Just to be clear you said:

"Gives the UK plenty of time to go out round the rest of the world, getting all the other deals lined up and ready to go, while the EU complains about uncertainty and at the same time refuse to speak to us"

which shows that you have no idea how international trade works - what exactly do you think the 'UK' (who?) is going off to agree trade deals for and which products?

Companies trade with companies; trade deals relate the taxes and tarriffs applied to imports and exports. Which products are you referring to that we are currently importing/exporting to/from the EU that we are aiming to sell/buy from non-EU countries in the future?

We need to know this before we 'get our deals lined up'

TrickyTree83

Mistermeaner wrote: »

no I didn't say that - why do you think I did when the words I used were very different?.


Just to be clear you said:

"Gives the UK plenty of time to go out round the rest of the world, getting all the other deals lined up and ready to go, while the EU complains about uncertainty and at the same time refuse to speak to us"

which shows that you have no idea how international trade works - what exactly do you think the 'UK' (who?) is going off to agree trade deals for and which products?

Companies trade with companies; trade deals relate the taxes and tarriffs applied to imports and exports. Which products are you referring to that we are currently importing/exporting to/from the EU that we are aiming to sell/buy from non-EU countries in the future?

We need to know this before we 'get our deals lined up'

Come on, there will be people in government who will know the answer to which products go where, how much go and what they are.

At which point you know which countries you want a trade deal with and which areas of industry you want to benefit from it.

That's precisely the reason we know 44% of our trade was with the EU, so whilst it's important to get a good deal for those companies it's more important for us to get a good deal for the 66% of exports.

It wouldn't really impact on people that they couldn't import higher cost French wine or BMW's and Audi's when the imports from other parts of the world are just as good and cheaper. Don't forget that the EU is protectionist. World market prices are much cheaper than EU prices, so the sooner those 'rest of the world' deals get set up - the better.

Castle

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

That's precisely the reason we know 44% of our trade was with the EU, so whilst it's important to get a good deal for those companies it's more important for us to get a good deal for the 66% of exports.

I make it 56%, not 66%:)

TrickyTree83

Castle wrote: »

I make it 56%, not 66%:)

Sorry my mistake.

shaggydoo

Joeskeppi wrote: »

Democracy is a failed experiment,

.....said the EU commissioners......

but The British people just told them what they thought of that.

Scarpacci

Joeskeppi wrote: »

I think this referendum has shown us that the public shouldn't be allowed to vote on anything until they can prove they have the mental capacity to do so. Democracy is a failed experiment, when the most googled thing is "what is the eu" after the referendum has taken place it's time to strip the vote away from the plebs and force them to prove their knowledge of the subject matter at the polling booths. Starting with this retard in Barnsley http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-muslims_uk_576e558ce4b08d2c563937ff?edition=uk

It's disingenuous to suggest all those people searching about the EU now are people who voted for Brexit, as the media has done, and are having voter's remorse. Start with the assumption they mirror the UK population: 27% of people weren't registered or eligible to vote. 28% of that electorate didn't turn out. 48.1% of those who did, voted to remain.

Other than fitting a popular media narrative that Brexiteers are dumb yokels who didn't know what they are doing and are now regretting this decision, there's no reason to assume these Googlers indicate a population that ought not to be allowed to make truly important decision.

Nobody said democracy is perfect. It's just the least-worst system we have. And it's attitudes about voters like yours, which are particularly prominent in the corridors of power in Brussels, that put many voters' backs up and convinced them to vote out.