If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

Try carefully reading my post again. It was the BBC who reported Osborne as saying:

Just because it wasn't in a prepared text that he may have given to another media outlet doesn't mean he didn't use the above phrase on Radio 4.
I realise how loathe you are to type a few simple words in your browser so here you go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534192

I've read that page and your quote several times and I still see the same thing. A few snippets of quotes, interspersed amongst a journalists interpretation.

I realise that for the leave campaigner based on lies, this is considered good enough but for me I would prefer to read the full text of Osborne's speech so that I can judge myself, and BobQ has provided that.

Thanks though.

Shakethedisease

No negotiations till Article 50.

Juncker says he has imposed a Presidential Ban on all contact between EU officials and UK officials until Art 50.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No negotiations till Article 50.

clearly a man on brexit's side

mrginge

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No negotiations till Article 50.

Interesting stand off there.

Gives the UK plenty of time to go out round the rest of the world, getting all the other deals lined up and ready to go, while the EU complains about uncertainty and at the same time refuse to speak to us.

pointless bluster like this from a pen pusher does nothing to help move things forward sensibly.

Grenage

Can't really say I blame them; this should all have been drafted before the bloody referendum.

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

Interesting stand off there.

Gives the UK plenty of time to go out round the rest of the world, getting all the other deals lined up and ready to go, while the EU complains about uncertainty and at the same time refuse to speak to us.

pointless bluster like this from a pen pusher does nothing to help move things forward sensibly.

Precisely, and his attitude is symptomatic of the problems that the EU faces.

"Our way or the highway!"

Well, the treaty says the member has to invoke, so I guess he'll be waiting for a while. I suspect the real leaders of the EU will get angry enough at Junker to cause even more destablisation in their bloc as the markets continue to tumble, putting us in an ever increasingly strong negotiating position.

mrginge

Can you imagine how hilarious it will be if the EU sulks in a corner and the U.K. starts announcing even just the fundamental principles of a load of new deals with other non-EU countries.

How will that look to the likes of Denmark, Netherlands etc...

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

Can you imagine how hilarious it will be if the EU sulks in a corner and the U.K. starts announcing even just the fundamental principles of a load of new deals with other non-EU countries.

How will that look to the likes of Denmark, Netherlands etc...

Yep, if you take this to the extreme we could just remain in the single market for years whilst we negotiate £trillions in trade deals around the growing parts of the world prior to ratifying them. The way we had a non-legally binding vote giving us the time we require to invoke article 50 appears to have been a smart move. With regards to our EU membership we are most certainly in the driving seat.

mrginge

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Yep, if you take this to the extreme we could just remain in the single market for years whilst we negotiate £trillions in trade deals around the growing parts of the world prior to ratifying them. The way we had a non-legally binding vote giving us the time we require to invoke article 50 appears to have been a smart move. With regards to our EU membership we are most certainly in the driving seat.

Well there are still plenty of negatives for us in delaying too long, so let's be reasonable and all crack on. If the EU don't want to then it stands to reason that we go speak to the countries that do want to.

Even just the act of starting negotiations with say AUS/NZ won't look good for mr juncker. After all, no-one wants to be told that they're 'back of the queue' do they (copyright barak Obama)

Mistermeaner

mrginge wrote: »

Gives the UK plenty of time to go out round the rest of the world, getting all the other deals lined up and ready to go, while the EU complains about uncertainty and at the same time refuse to speak to us.

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Absolutely; then the UK can come back and tell all the exporting businesses in the UK where they should sell their products. That's exactly how it works.