If we vote for Brexit what happens

chucknorris

Rinoa wrote: »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdsJO5zzOVo

He's loving it. :rotfl:
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I watched that this morning and loved it, I voted remain, but nevertheless I can appreciate him at times. I suspect that he might end up very disappointed though, as I think that there is a real possibility that we end up in the single market with no change to the freedom of movement.

CLAPTON

chucknorris wrote: »

I watched that this morning and loved it, I voted remain, but nevertheless I can appreciate him at times. I suspect that he might end up very disappointed though, as I think that there is a real possibility that we end up in the single market with no change to the freedom of movement.

oh dear
some might be embarrassed

chucknorris

CLAPTON wrote: »

oh dear
some might be embarrassed

If Jeremy Corbyn had Farage's presence and wit, there is no way that he would even face a vote of no confidence, never mind lose it by 172:40.

EDIT: By the way I'm not a UKIP supporter (as you might have guessed).

wotsthat

Scarpacci wrote: »

Common misconception. I don't think fewer people had access to a "decent" education a few decades back. There were more grammar schools and better schools overall. The education system started to crumble decades later when the NUTs got control.

It is telling that people nowadays see everything through a prism of university being the only valid education option - even if half of the universities today are nothing but glorified polytechnics throwing off a stream of graduates with Mickey Mouse degrees.

It's a great scam being perpetrated on society that we now believe sending every average Tom, Rick (word filter) or Harry to university is magically leading to a more intelligent country. They're doing to grades what they did to our money - inflating it away.

So in the good old days people got access to a better education but just didn't bother getting qualifications to prove it?

I partially agree about grade inflation but if you think anyone going to university these days has a Mickey Mouse qualification what does it say about those who can't rub a couple of O level certificates together when, according to you, there was better access to good education.

There are a few ways of interpreting why the poorly educated were more likely to vote leave in a more positive light (age bias, lack of mobility etc) but it's an uncomfortable truth nonetheless. I'd suggest a narrow world view that education failed to expand (if I'm being kind).

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

There are a few ways of interpreting why the poorly educated were more likely to vote leave in a more positive light (age bias, lack of mobility etc) but it's an uncomfortable truth nonetheless. I'd suggest a narrow world view that education failed to expand (if I'm being kind).

the young and so inexperienced and often with no responsibilites, largely voted remain in europe.

given the age profile of graduates ( i.e. few went to uni 50 years and increasing proportion since then) it therefore follows that there will be a majority of graduates infavour of remain.
the 'young ' and 'graduates' are one and the same people so no surprise they vote the same way.

Scarpacci

wotsthat wrote: »

So in the good old days people got access to a better education but just didn't bother getting qualifications to prove it?

Yes, because university wasn't the be all and end all of education back then. Only people going into a few select serious, disciplined professions (lawyers, doctors, educators etc.) saw the need to go to university. University wasn't for everyone - whether they were going to go into a manual trade or just middle-management, it was unnecessary.

The population weren't judged to be less worthwhile because they didn't go to university. There was no expectation that most people would. That this sounds unbelievable in 2016 shows just how much the bizarre consensus view that university will improve everybody, no matter what kind of job they'll end up doing, has spread.

wotsthat wrote: »

I partially agree about grade inflation but if you think anyone going to university these days has a Mickey Mouse qualification what does it say about those who can't rub a couple of O level certificates together when, according to you, there was better access to good education.

People who were destined for a career in a certain trade or for mid-level management did not get a degree, but they had a better general education and then maybe got a skill specific to their trade. So many of the jobs people come out of university and take nowadays did not require a degree, but people have them and we're supposed to believe they're better for it? I don't.

I only argued the schools were better. Access to university wasn't better (though it was free), but it didn't need to be. Its value came from its selectiveness. The problem came when people started seeing the most mundane jobs as requiring a degree, so now more people have degrees and they end up in the same sort of job just with thousands of pounds of debt for privilege.

wotsthat wrote: »

There are a few ways of interpreting why the poorly educated were more likely to vote leave in a more positive light (age bias, lack of mobility etc) but it's an uncomfortable truth nonetheless. I'd suggest a narrow world view that education failed to expand (if I'm being kind).

You'd need to look at their working career to judge whether their lack of education, as we judge it now, did hold them back. If they did not go to university but landed a job in a trade that kept them in stable employment for decades, put a roof over their head and food on their tables, it might be the wrong assumption.

It probably is a "narrow" world view in the way modern politics would judge it. Their expectations, through school and into the working life, were simply to get a stable job in their area, buy a home, start a family, and see their children do better than they did. It doesn't live up to the glossy, shiny fantasies of people now who dream of going to university, studying in Paris for a year, taking an internship in Milan, moving to London and working as a social media analyst or whatever.

Most people in the UK die within about 12 miles of where they were born and see nothing wrong with it. That's the dominant attitude of people in the UK, but the metropolitan media has missed out on this for so long. They focus on these very Euro-centric young, educated people and use that as the yardstick to judge the rest of the population. Unfortunately, what they've missed is the former category I describe is actually bigger than the latter. You'd never know it by watching the news, though.

baza52

mayonnaise wrote: »

I just did.
Unbelievable that someone totally reliant on state handouts is voting for the ones financing those handouts to lose their jobs.

Me and MOST of the country
Thanks for paying your taxes tho. The Caribbean cruise I went on back in April was fantastic, As was the holiday in Vegas in October and the Luxury hotel I stayed in in Tenerife back in July.

I'm like an EU president spending all your hard earned haha

gfplux

The Title of this thread should now read
NOW WE HAVE VOTED FOR BREXIT WHAT HAPPENS

gfplux

Today I am thinking about the consequences of Brexit and where we stand today.
These thoughts were prompted by the discussion about University education.
I am only thinking of University's in England.
A few years ago the Government reduced University funding but also allowed the minimum charge to rise to £9000 per year.
There are presently three main groups of students who are presently studying in England and this being June the most recent arrivals are coming to the end of their first year of a three year degree.
Please remember these are very rough numbers and statements and hopefully I am not going to be picked up on trivial matters.
These three groups are
UK students paying £9000
EU students paying £9000
Non EU students who pay +/- £20000
I am only looking at EU students who are yet to decide to study in England.
This being June the majority of EU students who have applied and been excepted are at this minute deciding wether to come to England in September. As an EU parent what do you advise your child?
Further think of all those EU students who will apply through UCAS for the September 2017 entry.
Those applications can be submitted from this September 6th 2016 with a deadline of January 15th 2017.
The DEADLINE for Oxford and Cambridge is October 15th 2016.
Would you as an EU parent or Teacher be advising your child or student to apply with all this uncertainty over free movement and fees for EU students. That is without considering your home country might withdraw what funding and loans that are available for study in Britain.
What effect if any will this have on student numbers.
What effect will this have on University funding.
Apparently 132000 EU students enrolled in 2012
Does any of this matter?
Anyone with better knowledge is welcome to critisize my thoughts and numbers.

kinger101

wotsthat wrote: »

So in the good old days people got access to a better education but just didn't bother getting qualifications to prove it?

I partially agree about grade inflation but if you think anyone going to university these days has a Mickey Mouse qualification what does it say about those who can't rub a couple of O level certificates together when, according to you, there was better access to good education.

There are a few ways of interpreting why the poorly educated were more likely to vote leave in a more positive light (age bias, lack of mobility etc) but it's an uncomfortable truth nonetheless. I'd suggest a narrow world view that education failed to expand (if I'm being kind).

It's not just about the number of university places, and there were undoubtedly fewer back then. Many people who got good very O levels were expected by their families to find work as soon as they left school.