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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Rinoa
    Rinoa Posts: 2,701 Forumite
    How different parties voted:

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    What chance have pollsters got when 5% of UKIP supporters voted to remain.
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  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    Conrad wrote: »
    In the last few years whilst the EU has destroyed millions of jobs, we've created more than them all.

    We will thrive free of the hulking jobs wreck

    We have done this by creating lots of low paid jobs that most of our population are unwilling to do.
    The older generation is making th future better. My kids will have bright prospects

    If this is the case then you will have a point. Fact is you are taking the "I know better approach". The majority of younger voters did not want this outcome. My fear is that they will not forgive us for doing this. But it is not the EU that created these low paid jobs it is UK employers. It is also fair to say that in other EU countries the solution was to accept a generation without work. Neither approach inspires me.

    I still find it so odd that people are so funny about being independent, setting your own laws and working with your neighbours.

    One day Bob I am certain you guys will see we the UK people, were visionaries leading the way. Globalisation and big lumbering blocks is not now the way to go. There are now double the number of new protectionary measures as new trade deals. Trump and Sanders are a byproduct of the new model people want

    Also you will be proud when we can freely buy from poor Africans farmers, once free of the Customs Union

    Leaving is progressive

    I think its a hell of a risk to take with our future, but it is done.

    If you are right then it will be wonderful. But at present I can see little good coming from this, except perhaps making the EU change more rapidly than it would have done.

    You make it seem like a positive change, but I see it as more of a confidence trick perpetrated on the electorate to save UKIP and unite the Conservative Party.
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  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    mwpt wrote: »
    I was looking for the full text so I could judge what he said in context. Perhaps he did say that on a leave vote the economy most certainly would crash and he most certainly would immediately implement an emergency budget. I'd still like to judge for myself.

    This is the published text of what he planned to say.

    http://www.strongerin.co.uk/leaving_eu_would_spark_deep_spending_cuts_sharp_tax_rises_warn_george_osborne_alistair_darling#C1ueYmQDArhuQiRY.97

    He never said immediately.
    ...........Difficult decisions starting next Friday, in the months ahead, and for years to come.

    “The impeccably independent Institute for Fiscal Studies says there would be a £30bn black hole in the public finances which we would have to try to fill.

    “And this would be a permanent and structural hole – we couldn’t just borrow more money to tide us over.

    “As Chancellor, it would be my responsibility to try to restore stability to the public finances if we quit the EU – and – that would mean there would need to be an emergency budget


    Read more at http://www.strongerin.co.uk/leaving_eu_would_spark_deep_spending_cuts_sharp_tax_rises_warn_george_osborne_alistair_darling#B90IsFGzGsi6tS6r.99
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  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    Rinoa wrote: »
    How different parties voted:

    Cl9nZ5rWMAAMVUf.jpg

    What chance have pollsters got when 5% of UKIP supporters voted to remain.

    So it was a case of lack of educational opportunity. Graduates knew it mad e sense to Remain.:)
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  • Scarpacci
    Scarpacci Posts: 1,017 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    So it was a case of lack of educational opportunity. Graduates knew it mad e sense to Remain.:)
    Or graduates tend to have better, high-paying jobs and they were just looking after their own economic self-interest. Like they have been for the past few decades, while significant parts of England enjoy no benefit from globalisation or the country's rising prosperity overall.

    Considering the Leave voters tendency to be older, I don't think it's necessarily correct to blame it on a lack of "educational opportunity". They're not necessarily bitter now that forty years ago they didn't go to university, because most people back then didn't go to university. Many left school and got apprenticeships, building up skills on the job. They may be more motivated by the lack of the same opportunity, to leave school and go into a manual labour job which still offered stability and career progression, for their children or grandchildren.
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  • mrginge
    mrginge Posts: 4,843 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    So it was a case of lack of educational opportunity. Graduates knew it mad e sense to Remain.:)

    What do you think we should do to avoid stupid people voting the wrong way in future?
  • Mistermeaner
    Mistermeaner Posts: 3,024 Forumite
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    Rinoa wrote: »
    How different parties voted:

    Cl9nZ5rWMAAMVUf.jpg

    What chance have pollsters got when 5% of UKIP supporters voted to remain.

    We need a Venn diagram to properly make sense of this
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  • Rinoa
    Rinoa Posts: 2,701 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    So it was a case of lack of educational opportunity. Graduates knew it mad e sense to Remain.:)

    They are better paid and buy expensive houses so they can live far away from the plebs and immigrants.
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  • Prothet_of_Doom
    Prothet_of_Doom Posts: 3,267 Forumite
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    mrginge wrote: »
    What do you think we should do to avoid stupid people voting the wrong way in future?

    The only stupid person was Upper Class and Educated by gambling his way into a Second term in office by betting on the future. He did not NEED to put a referendum into the Conservative manifesto, and clearly didn't assess the risk for very long. I may as well gamble my kids future on the outcome of the 2:30 at Chester races. Given that I know !!!! all about horse racing, I'm more likely to be doing the right thing than Cameron EVER did.

    Cameron may have gone to the "best" schools and an "elite" university, but he learned nothing. Which makes me wonder if Daddy "paid" for the results.

    He will go down in History as the "Spineless Retard who destroyed Europe and Slipped away to spend his and his wife's millions in luxury whilst millions suffered (again)"
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    edited 27 June 2016 at 8:38PM
    When confronted with this UKIP supporters have always said a lack educational qualifications aren't indicative of stupidity because they tend to be older folk and had less access to a decent education in the 'good old days'.

    Thick as !!!! if you ask me.
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