If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

prowla wrote: »

Somebody has bought the remain scaremongering hook, line and sinker, and is "too thick" to see through it.

You sound like a chap that knows what is going on and has a pretty strong opinion. Just what I've been looking for. Could you please help me answering the following? No other leave voter seems to want to:

mwpt wrote: »

Ok. This thread started with a question. For those of you who voted leave, could you please explain now finally what the plan is?

What personally did you vote for, in the practical sense, when you voted leave?
- End of free movement with EU?
- End of free trade agreement with EU?
- Reduced immigration from the whole world?
- No agreement at all with the EU? As in, we will not look like Norway or Switzerland deals at all?
- Join the EEC in similar capacity to Norway or Switzerland?
- Increased immigration from rest of the world, decrease from EU?

I think us remain supporters get it, democracy, yes. You've "taken back control". But now as your patriarch likes to put it, in practical terms, what does that mean? Could you say how the UK would ideally look to you in a few years time.

Yolina

baza52 wrote: »

All this talk of people wanting to leave the UK makes me laugh, If you don't like it here just go.

Do you think that can be just done overnight? Pack your suitcase and go? I'd need to sell my flat, I have Isas and all sorts of investments that need sorting. Some things I need to find more information about, like my pension(s) or how to move the cat. After 23 years here,there's quite a long list. Not to mention setting things up at the other end, small things like somewhere to live, bank account, etc...I'm glad I haven't got kids.

I'm also not dumb enough to transfer money out now when the £ has just taken a trashing. So instead I'm looking at my options whilst waiting for things to stabilise a bit before making a decision.

I wasn't allowed to vote in the referendum, and so I therefore claim the right to complain about the result

CLAPTON

Yolina wrote: »

Do you think that can be just done overnight? Pack your suitcase and go? I'd need to sell my flat, I have Isas and all sorts of investments that need sorting. Some things I need to find more information about, like my pension(s) or how to move the cat. After 23 years here,there's quite a long list. Not to mention setting things up at the other end, small things like somewhere to live, bank account, etc...I'm glad I haven't got kids.

I'm also not dumb enough to transfer money out now when the £ has just taken a trashing. So instead I'm looking at my options whilst waiting for things to stabilise a bit before making a decision.

I wasn't allowed to vote in the referendum, and so I therefore claim the right to complain about the result

what a whinging post

but you could have voted in the referendum if you had but made a little effort.

wotsthat

mwpt wrote: »

So if the government sign us back to the free trade area with free movement and contributions into the EU, but we are not part of the EU and do not have to send MEPs, that would be ok because they are the democratically elected government and they are OUR government.

Works for me as a next best solution. I just didn't realise the leave voters would be ok with this.

That's the reality of how it works.

Leave has just disintegrated and we're going to see everyone pushing themselves forward to implement their own version of what the leave voters wanted. Farage's vision of what a leave voter wanted will be different to Boris Johnson's.

Plus, of course, anyone that voted stay is going to have a different view of what a Britain outside the EU will look like.

I can't wait to see the faces of the frothers when we find out what the price is for free access to the EU.

Yolina

Clapton dear, you're the worst possible advert for asking for British citizenship

prowla

mwpt wrote: »

You sound like a chap that knows what is going on and has a pretty strong opinion. Just what I've been looking for. Could you please help me answering the following? No other leave voter seems to want to:

Well, I would put myself at about 51% leave, 49% remain, so not particularly strong, and good to go with either outcome.

As far as the campaign went, all I heard from Remain was mudslinging and scaremongering; after I stripped that away there was nothing, apart from some HR rules which the UK exceeds anyway. So from my perspective there was no Remain campaign; nada, zilch.

As for your questions:

I believe that immigration is a good thing, but within limits; the current levels are simply unsustainable and the EU's response was just to say that free movement is part of the deal. I think we should have a points system for immigration, and I have said this for many years; if we assign points to skills in demand, then we can welcome the people we need in.

I believe that the EU is run by a politburo who do not think themselves answerable to the people they are supposed to represent. Their arrogance is stupefying and they are still trying to dictate to us after the vote.

Regarding trade with the EU, the EU needs us more than we need the EU; people refer to Norway and Switzerland, but is that the only model? If the EU wishes to impose trade tariffs against the UK, then the UK should reciprocate like-for like.

On trade with the rest of the world, we are no longer bound by the EU tariffs and quotas; if we can import bananas cheaply from across the ocean, then why not other foods?

On to food: we currently pay farmers not to grow produce and instead import inferior quality items from other EU countries (tasteless vegetables, water-injected meats); perhaps this could (re)juvenate farming in this country.

The EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU; it is telling that the Polish PM said that the result meant that the poorer countries would not be able to get so much money now... (That was our money being fed in!)

vivatifosi

I can't believe that Juncker is being so dogmatic. The remain vote was just over 16m. That's more as a single bloc than the population of any EU country apart from Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania and the Netherlands.

That's twenty countries of the remaining twenty seven countries that have smaller populations than the remain vote.

Still why try to be conciliatory and realise that BOTH SIDES have a big problem when you can fiddle while Brussels burns.

CLAPTON

Yolina wrote: »

Clapton dear, you're the worst possible advert for asking for British citizenship

trying to help you achieve your goals but
your problems are always some-else's fault :

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

I can't believe that Juncker is being so dogmatic. The remain vote was just over 16m. That's more as a single bloc than the population of any EU country apart from Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Romania and the Netherlands.

That's twenty countries of the remaining twenty seven countries that have smaller populations than the remain vote.

Still why try to be conciliatory and realise that BOTH SIDES have a big problem when you can fiddle while Brussels burns.

As Leavers were warned previously, the EU will not make leaving the EU an easy or happy process.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

As Leavers were warned previously, the EU will not make leaving the EU an easy or happy process.

I guess that is why europe spend so much time having wars.
nothing really changes.
and of course one never knows when you need friends