If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I don't know what the Islamic State's view is of the European Union (maybe they have issued an internal memo), but when every single card carrying racist in the United Kingdom is going to be lining up to vote Leave on Thursday, them inevitably Leave has an image problem.

Only with people who are too stupid to understand the difference between racism and concern over the number of immigrants we can logically accommodate within a given time span.

discat11

Rinoa: Let us know when his country's government agrees won't you?

Anyone can call upon any government to do anything, just because he's head of their version of the CBI means nowt.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Remain need to get away from drawing parallels between other leave voters and the far right. Does the argument no good but does come across as a self righteous piety.

The vote should have been:

1. Join EU more fully
2. Remain in EU with current status
3. Leave EU but form trade deals in the same capacity as either Norway, Switzerland or Iceland with the various conditions they imply (free movement for one)
4. Leave EU and form no special trading status with them at all, guaranteed no free movement of people

At least then people would be slightly more free to choose honestly something which they believe in a bit more. I suspect you'd choose option 3 but most of the current leave vote would choose option 4.

It really isn't a good way to decide the future of our country when you have people voting for an option which is almost certainly not going to represent their views.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

"The link was first reported by BuzzFeed News, and Ms Bramall told the website that she must have been signed up to the far-right group by her husband – who is also named on the leaked list.

She nonetheless confirmed her membership, saying: “My husband joined, he obviously enrolled me at the same time. It wasn’t with my knowledge.”"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-vote-leave-donor-bnp-brexit-vote-polls-gladys-bramall-a7093616.html

Does that bit not count because it doesn't fit the narrative Remain want to portray?

Beginning to feel like the Remain side are like the modern day gestapo.

"You agree with their views, you're a sympathiser!"

She accidentally joined the BNP?

Reminds me of MP Sir Norman Fry's excuses in Little Britain when he was having a relaxing drive in Kings Cross..

While there, I saw a young Rastafarian gentleman on the side of the road. As one of my constituents, I felt it my duty to stop and offer him a lift. During the journey, I pulled over into a nearby alleyway so I could safely reach into the glove compartment and take out a Murray Mint. At this point, I fell on top of him and I regret to say, a part of my body accidentally entered him. As far as I’m concerned, that is the end of the matter. Thank you

Rinoa

discat11 wrote: »

Rinoa: Let us know when his country's government agrees won't you?

Anyone can call upon any government to do anything, just because he's head of their version of the CBI means nowt.

5 million jobs in the EU depend on the UK's membership. When lots of people lose their jobs, governments don't get re-elected.

We'll see how EU governments react when faced with that prospect.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

I heard an interesting interview with Mark Rutte, PM of Holland who is a Remainiac. Gert Wilders is in favour of Leave of course.

I think you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.

First rule of remain - play the man not the ball.

IN this case the basic logical fallacy is that if you are voting the same way on any issue as person x then you approve of everything person x says....

It would be a shame if Jo Cox's death did not in the end acheive any diffeence to the result.

Masomnia

mwpt wrote: »

The vote should have been:

1. Join EU more fully
2. Remain in EU with current status
3. Leave EU but form trade deals in the same capacity as either Norway, Switzerland or Iceland with the various conditions they imply (free movement for one)
4. Leave EU and form no special trading status with them at all, guaranteed no free movement of people

At least then people would be slightly more free to choose honestly something which they believe in a bit more. I suspect you'd choose option 3 but most of the current leave vote would choose option 4.

It really isn't a good way to decide the future of our country when you have people voting for an option which is almost certainly not going to represent their views.

But this is why it gets messy, your options 1 and 2 are the same thing. The status quo is closer integration, but we don't as a nation seem to actually want that. It's a shame the remain camp have done very little for making a positive case for closer political integrations. I think for this reason we will just have more of the usual complaining about closer integration when it inevitably happens.

Of course it all depends on what the options are. If a Swiss or Norwegin style deal of leaving the EU but retaining access to the single market in some form was an option on the ballot paper it would win hands down - which I suppose is precisely why it is not on the ballot paper.

I still can't decide 100%, but still erring towards leave, simply on the basis that I don't believe in the project of closer political and economic union, and I don't think most people in this country do either.

tincans6

CLAPTON wrote: »

but plenty of card carriers that support the IRA loving Corbyn's fraction

Really losing the plot here CLAPTON

mwpt

Masomnia wrote: »

But this is why it gets messy, your options 1 and 2 are the same thing. The status quo is closer integration, but we don't as a nation seem to actually want that. It's a shame the remain camp have done very little for making a positive case for closer political integrations. I think for this reason we will just have more of the usual complaining about closer integration when it inevitably happens.

Of course it all depends on what the options are. If a Swiss or Norwegin style deal of leaving the EU but retaining access to the single market in some form was an option on the ballot paper it would win hands down - which I suppose is precisely why it is not on the ballot paper.

I still can't decide 100%, but still erring towards leave, simply on the basis that I don't believe in the project of closer political and economic union, and I don't think most people in this country do either.

But your post starts with an error, a lie that has been sold by the leave campaign. The goals of the EU may at this point be closer political union but this is not something the UK is or will be pursuing as we have agreed not to. We will most certainly leave the EU before that can be forced on us and so it won't be.

Of course, this comes down to belief. Our own government has told us that we won't be pursuing politically closer union. If that changes then we simply vote in a government who don't want to. The EU cannot force us to do anything because we always retain the option of just simply leaving.

So no, I disagree with your statement. We should have at least those two options for the remain side.

I do agree with you that if those were the options presented, option 3 would win. And so what? We retain access to the market, we retain access to the labour force, the free market allows people to go where the work is.

But that isn't what the majority of the leave campaign want, in my opinion,

ruggedtoast

tincans6 wrote: »

Really losing the plot here CLAPTON

I'm wondering what Corbyn's IRA Fraction is now.

:rotfl: