If we vote for Brexit what happens

Yolina

Tate & Lyle is now on my sh*t list... I have an unopened bag of caster sugar which I am going to donate to the local foodbank and I'll make sure I never buy that brand again.

TrickyTree83

tincans6 wrote: »

So after 2 World Wars within the previous 40 years, someone said that a European army would be a good idea rather than a separate French and German one.

And you find this controversial ?

He later goes on to talk about a United States of Europe.

I've not given an opinion on that as yet, but I was just citing the evidence for what he said since the Remain side were clamouring all over people on here barking that it never happened. Perhaps the quote is not exact but if you actually bothered to read the evidence the end goal of what he said was basically the same.

To dismiss Jean Monnet's agenda as a conspiracy theorists concoction is incorrect.

I gave no opinion either way, but some people will have an opinion, and would also argue it's important to have the facts. So claims that quote is his may be a fabrication but he does make his feelings known to the US Press Club in 1952. Lets not pretend he didn't, on both the plan for a European army and a United States of Europe.

CLAPTON

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Clapton will you leave the UK if we vote to remain?

thank you for your interest

I am committed to the UK by family, friends and because it is a great place to live.
a lower population would have made it an even better place so I was hoping for (at least) a slower rate of growth.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

I haven't heard any explanation as to what the problem with a European Army is? I think it sounds a good idea....especially with Putin around. It won't supplant NATO necessarily but with Trump noising off about NATO being defunct....I think we should look at a European army perhaps shouldering more responsibility in Eastern Europe and NATO being more relevant in the Atlantic and Arctic?

Some people don't want to be part of a European Union that attempts to create a superstate with all the trappings of statehood.

They already have the most supreme court in our land, they already have a foreign policy, they want to move towards a European armed forces, they have a national anthem and in some cases a common currency.

The fact that Junker said he wants to have this army, but not to use it, is quite ridiculous. It would be similar to Jeremy Corbyn being PM, maintaining Trident but promising never to use it.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Some people don't want to be part of a European Union that attempts to create a superstate with all the trappings of statehood.

They already have the most supreme court in our land, they already have a foreign policy, they want to move towards a European armed forces, they have a national anthem and in some cases a common currency.

The fact that Junker said he wants to have this army, but not to use it, is quite ridiculous. It would be similar to Jeremy Corbyn being PM, maintaining Trident but promising never to use it.

There is going to be a European army regardless of what the UK thinks about it. All the EU member countries apart from the UK are committed to ever closer union.

The UK has been given every kind of special dispensation imaginable to still be part of the EU but still be wholly opposed to ever closer union.

I can't imagine any other country that asked to join being given such large doses of special treatment. But this still isn't enough for Brexiters.

ruggedtoast

Pea brained BREXIT thugs unable to contain their true natures again:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/yvette-cooper-receives-death-threat-online-against-family

Yvette Cooper's family threatened with death by some idiot because she is campaigning for Remain.

Oh yeah, but he's a minority of Leave of course. Its just that every single member of the National Front, Britain First, the BNP and the ranters in UKIP are all Leave voters too is a complete coincidence.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Pea brained BREXIT thugs unable to contain their true natures again:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/yvette-cooper-receives-death-threat-online-against-family

Yvette Cooper's family threatened with death by some idiot because she is campaigning for Remain.

Oh yeah, but he's a minority of Leave of course. Its just that every single member of the National Front, Britain First, the BNP and the ranters in UKIP are all Leave voters too is a complete coincidence.

you really are a toxic person
but I guess your european army could help you with your racist immigration policy of
no pararan

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

There is going to be a European army regardless of what the UK thinks about it. All the EU member countries apart from the UK are committed to ever closer union.

The UK has been given every kind of special dispensation imaginable to still be part of the EU but still be wholly opposed to ever closer union.

I can't imagine any other country that asked to join being given such large doses of special treatment. But this still isn't enough for Brexiters.

Joining the EEC or "Common Market" as it was informally known was the option previously put to the British people. Since then there has never been a vote to ratify any of the changes that have taken place.

The social contract between the people who vote our politicians into power and those politicians that continually signed us up to treaty after treaty has been broken. The dispensations do not rewind Nice, Maastricht or the Single European act, they cannot. So for some the dispensations will mean nothing. For me I would have been happy with free movement of labour (not people), I would have been happy with permanent legislative supremacy - e.g. over EU citizen benefit access (not just until 2028), I would have been happy with most other things Cameron got but the issue I would most like to have seen us get a concession on was our ability to negotiate our own trade deals.

Generali

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Pea brained BREXIT thugs unable to contain their true natures again:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/yvette-cooper-receives-death-threat-online-against-family

Yvette Cooper's family threatened with death by some idiot because she is campaigning for Remain.

Oh yeah, but he's a minority of Leave of course. Its just that every single member of the National Front, Britain First, the BNP and the ranters in UKIP are all Leave voters too is a complete coincidence.

I heard an interesting interview with Mark Rutte, PM of Holland who is a Remainiac. Gert Wilders is in favour of Leave of course.

I think you can tell a lot about a person by the company they keep.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Pea brained BREXIT thugs unable to contain their true natures again:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/22/yvette-cooper-receives-death-threat-online-against-family

Yvette Cooper's family threatened with death by some idiot because she is campaigning for Remain.

Oh yeah, but he's a minority of Leave of course. Its just that every single member of the National Front, Britain First, the BNP and the ranters in UKIP are all Leave voters too is a complete coincidence.

Let me finish that for you...

And

All muslims are terrorists.

All christians are affiliated with westboro baptist church.

All Russians are homophobic nutcases.

All migrants in the migrant crisis are refugees.

etc...etc...