If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Kohoutek wrote: »

If we had the open trading economy that Brexiters want, then surely our manufacturers would even more at risk of being undercut by countries around the world?

This suggests that the (relative) decline of our manufacturing industry had nothing to do with the EU.

one doesn't judge the size and importance of an industry by the number of people that work in it.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

and our manufacturing industry was destroyed by being in the EU

Maybe but more likely that the uk never really specialised in manufacturing post ww2. it had/has aviation and the jet engine but that was dedicating nearly 10% of GDP to those and when the government decided it was too much and throttled back the lead there was given up to the Americans.

The great manufacturing era was probably from the 1950-1980 period a time the uk was in the dumps. If the uk was to become a great manufacturing nation that was the time to entrench.

But we have still done ok partly thanks to the fact that a lot of 'manufacturing' is actually stuff most people dont think of as manufacturing things like processed foods which is one of the biggest sectors of 'manufacturing'

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

Maybe but more likely that the uk never really specialised in manufacturing post ww2. it had/has aviation and the jet engine but that was dedicating nearly 10% of GDP to those and when the government decided it was too much and throttled back the lead there was given up to the Americans.

The great manufacturing era was probably from the 1950-1980 period a time the uk was in the dumps. If the uk was to become a great manufacturing nation that was the time to entrench.

But we have still done ok partly thanks to the fact that a lot of 'manufacturing' is actually stuff most people dont think of as manufacturing things like processed foods which is one of the biggest sectors of 'manufacturing'

no idea of your point but my point is that it is rather tiresome to be told

-everything good about the UK is due to our membership the EU
-any either bad or less good about the UK has absolutely nothing was so ever to do with the EU

BobQ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think you can judge people by the company they keep on a binary issue, which is what has been put before us by the government.

If that was true then you would judge me as a person to be sympathetic or understanding towards people like Tommy Mair, or Britain First. I can assure you I'm not.

I am sure that virtually all Leave supporters hate what happened and were just as upset that it could happen in the UK as any Remain supporter. The problem for Leave is that some people will make this judgement. The question is how many soft Leave supporters and Don't knows will take that view.

Its like when you go into a pub with a group of people. If a couple in the group start some trouble the landlord will more likely assume that the whole group are troublemakers.

Just recently (since Jo Cox's tragic murder) it's become more polarised, at least that's how it feels to me. I feel as though I should be ashamed for believing we should leave the EU because I share a viewpoint with some complete nutters but for completely different reasons.

I think the vast majority of Leave supporters have nothing to be ashamed of. If Leave do not win, I think the problem will have been that the official leave campaign has not done enough to differentiate itself from the small minority who sympathise with the more extreme views.

And it's because of that I believe there will be not only a status quo swing towards remain but also a further swing because of his actions.

We shall see!

globalds

I think remain are looking for something and finding it .

Perhaps that doesn't mean as much as they think.

I said in another thread ..No one I know has changed their mind other Than Baroness Warsi and I don't know her .

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

and our manufacturing industry was destroyed by being in the EU

It was destroyed while we were in the EU, by Thatcher.

Spidernick

globalds wrote: »

I think remain are looking for something and finding it .

Perhaps that doesn't mean as much as they think.

I said in another thread ..No one I know has changed their mind other Than Baroness Warsi and I don't know her .

I said in another thread that I feel the same around those that have already made up their mind. However, I do feel that it does make the undecideds even more likely to vote Remain and I really cannot now see Leave winning, but we shall see.

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

In that case, we're 35th. Not much to show for 43 years of EU membership is it?

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=67

According to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

In 2015 we were 14th, in 1970 we were 26th.

No idea why there is a difference!

globalds

Spidernick wrote: »

I said in another thread that I feel the same around those that have already made up their mind. However, I do feel that it does make the undecideds even more likely to vote Remain and I really cannot now see Leave winning, but we shall see.

Perhaps I am just not meeting enough undecided's

Seems odd that this wave of change is always hitting another shore..

Oh well must just be me not being right ...Or maybe something isn't quite what it seems with this sea change

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

It was destroyed while we were in the EU, by Thatcher.

can I just get this absolutely clear

if anything that you perceive is good happened in the last 50 years, then that is entirely (or mainly) due to the UK being in the EU and inspite of the racist/lazy/ stupid people of the UK
if anything you perceive as bad happened in the last 50 years then that definitely had nothing to do with the EU and entirely due to the racist/lazy/stupid people of the UK

certainly beats having to think.
mine you, I always thought the british leyland etc went out of business because the racist brits starting buying Japanese / foreign cars and refused to buy leyland rubbish.