If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

lisyloo wrote: »

What does an elderly person - possibly receiving medical care, housing, pension etc. stand to lose.
Which bit are you going to cut?
Are you not going to tend to their leg ulcers? Are you going to put them out on the streets? Are you going to remove their subsistence pension?

Not sure I understand what those at that end of life stand to lose.

If you aren't going to put them on the streets then you HAVE to house and care for them.

Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're saying or if you have found something in my post that you disagree with. Could you re-read it and let me know if I've said anything offensive or that you think is incorrect.

Thrugelmir

Hardly surprising that the Premier League has come out as remain. Now that football is highly profitable (£10 million per televised game) it's worth owning a club and sucking out the profit.

Really seems as if no one is interested in average Joe Public. Politicals is no longer the issue but a complete way of life. Globalisation is not the answer. Culture should not be suppressed at the expense of profit.

Last night Cameron dodged the immigration bullets. One can only assume he knows the EU's stance. There'll never be concessions. Unfortunately it may well be the downfall of what originally was a good idea but has got out of hand due to ideals.

Generali

lisyloo wrote: »

What does an elderly person - possibly receiving medical care, housing, pension etc. stand to lose.
Which bit are you going to cut?
Are you not going to tend to their leg ulcers? Are you going to put them out on the streets? Are you going to remove their subsistence pension?

Not sure I understand what those at that end of life stand to lose.

If you aren't going to put them on the streets then you HAVE to house and care for them.

But you don't at the moment do you.

There are waiting lists for health care and many people die while waiting for an appointment with a specialist or for the treatment they have recommended.

If GDP falls as a result of Brexit, which seems to be a question of how much rather than if, then less health care can be afforded. At that point the question becomes who gets not to have their ailments treated?

Effectively that means picking those that have to die.

That might sound extreme but that is what goes on already: Governments effectively price a life, they decide how much they can afford to spend on delaying death and then spend some money. If there is less GDP there is less money. If there is less money then fewer deaths are delayed. (I say delayed because we will all die in the end, hospital treatment just gives us a different date to meet our maker).

michaels

Moby wrote: »

If it is a Leave Cameron would almost certainly not survive and the next government would be run by the right wing awkward squad with Farage in the Lords, possibly as a minister, re-negotiating our position with our main trading partners, despite showing themselves unable to understand or explain the Single Market!
If it is a Remain the government would have to look at the poor condition of our democracy and the standing of politicians, as well as the reactions to our underfunded public services, which are at heart, the problem driving the popularity of 'Leave'.To me the most potent 'Leave' argument is the struggling public services. The problem is the 'Leave' camp is led by politicians who should be least trusted to rejuvinate those same services! I know Grayling and Gove, they are right wing free marketeers, who have no interest in improving public services! I don't know Johnston but he clearly will/say do whatever it takes to improve his career. Only yesterday on Sky I saw a recent interview of him saying enthusiastically we should remain in the Union!
How can Gisela Stuart possibly stand on the same platform as them God only knows!

A dose of one nation centrism might be the result from pragmatic Cameron landing on the winning side on Thursday. Corbyn's angle needs to emphasise again and again working conditions, equal pay etc. Cheap migrant labour forcing down working conditions and costs is a no no in future. Special funds will be needed to support services in areas particularly hit by migration! Hopefully we have the brexiters on the runn now and hopefully we'll see the back of Farage and his one issue ilk!

I actually found my self with a modicum of respect for Corbyn when he refused to lie outright and claim that we could control immigration whilst remaining in the EU, unlike Cameron who is quite happy to tell a bare faced lie it seems for political reasons.

However it should be noted that whilst his principles are for Brexit he is campaigning for Remain because that is the politic thing to do so no full marks for integrity I'm afraid.

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I do hope you've not only just realised integrity is questionable lol? I think most of us realised it the day after the Coalition Govt was formed.

StevieJ

Brexit, an economists view from Bloomberg . Seems quite a short simple uncomplicated video.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/video/math-economists-guide-brexit-050509818.html

Rinoa

Remain didn't waste much time before 'weaponising' Jo Cox

http://order-order.com/2016/06/20/will-straw/

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The IN campaigners tell us how damaging it would be for Britain to leave. But doesn’t that itself represent a fundamental issue, having a body that has an ability to harm us even when we are not in it. Isn’t that what we call a ‘bully’?
For this reason, on 23rd June, I will be voting for democracy, accountability, individuality and freedom, and voting no to an unelected supremacy.

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It's not gonna happen now.

Not after Jo Cox, they've managed to use it to slur anyone who wants to vote to leave as siding with far right extremists. And it's worked. We're all now officially racists, xenophobes, fascists, white supremacists, and any other derogatory term they care to add, ad infinitum. I will be incredibly surprised if the result is to leave the EU now.

Rinoa

Clever video. Accurate too.

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