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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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supermario1965 wrote: »We don't need trade agreements with anybody. We are the 5th biggest economy. If they want our money, they'll have to accept our conditions or tough!
Yes we are the 5th largest. Why is that? It is because we are in the EU. We will not be 5th if we leave like you wantFew people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »What does Warsi actually do? She's never held an elected position, just hung around the Tory party because she ticks a couple of useful boxes.
I'm puzzled as to what's "racist" about the Breaking Point poster? Can we not discuss the implications of tens of thousands of migrants tramping across Europe at the specific invitation of Merkel?
Warsi was never elected true but she grew up in West Yorkshire and in particular in Dewsbury just up the road from where Jo Cox was assassinated. Who knows what influences someone who has previously defended the BNP and then finds Britain First protesting about places of religious worship in Dewsbury and others making hateful statements? I have no idea of her motivation, but I can see some people re-thinking their position this week.
As to the poster, characterising refugees from a war torn country who flee in fear of their lives and implying that the EU should have expelled them, conflating this with a UK Referendum and pretending they are a threat is despicable, even Gove condemned it. Is it racist? Well if you try to pretend all immigrants into the UK are non-white as per the poster, yes it might well be.
Gove, Johnson and co really ought to take a long hard look as their bedfellows. Distancing themselves from the UKIP poster is something but you judge people by the company they keep.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »It's not gonna happen now.
Not after Jo Cox, they've managed to use it to slur anyone who wants to vote to leave as siding with far right extremists. And it's worked. We're all now officially racists, xenophobes, fascists, white supremacists, and any other derogatory term they care to add, ad infinitum. I will be incredibly surprised if the result is to leave the EU now.
I disagree, but I do think that the issues that most of the Leave supporters have campaigned upon are made more difficult by the intolereance of a minority on the extreme right. Whether you like it or not recent events have brought that into the limelight.
I am not convinced that Remain will win as many people still believe in the arguments previously advanced by Leave, as flawed as many of them seem to me.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Were we not the 5th largest before we joined the EU?
Or does that not count?
Yes but in those days we had a manufacturing industry.
GDP per capita is a better way of assessing the benefit of being in the EU. GDP just shows the size of the economy.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Gove, Johnson and co really ought to take a long hard look as their bedfellows. Distancing themselves from the UKIP poster is something but you judge people by the company they keep.
I don't think you can judge people by the company they keep on a binary issue, which is what has been put before us by the government.
If that was true then you would judge me as a person to be sympathetic or understanding towards people like Tommy Mair, or Britain First. I can assure you I'm not. I don't feel that the average person in the country who leans towards leave feels that the UKIP poster is in any way helpful to anyone. It will be pandering to the far right but as so many have said on here before this argument does split along party political lines, some on the left side with leave, and some on the right side with remain and so forth. Just recently (since Jo Cox's tragic murder) it's become more polarised, at least that's how it feels to me. I feel as though I should be ashamed for believing we should leave the EU because I share a viewpoint with some complete nutters but for completely different reasons.
And it's because of that I believe there will be not only a status quo swing towards remain but also a further swing because of his actions.0 -
GDP per capita is a better way of assessing the benefit of being in the EU. GDP just shows the size of the economy.
In that case, we're 35th. Not much to show for 43 years of EU membership is it?
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=67If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
and our manufacturing industry was destroyed by being in the EU
If we had the open trading economy that Brexiters want, then surely our manufacturers would even more at risk of being undercut by countries around the world?
This suggests that the (relative) decline of our manufacturing industry had nothing to do with the EU.
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In that case, we're 35th. Not much to show for 43 years of EU membership is it?
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=67
Consider that the top 35 includes various oil states, offshore tax havens and European microstates I would say that's pretty good going.0
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