If we vote for Brexit what happens

Yolina

Let's say the country votes out, but that instead of that wonderful world of rainbows, pots of gold and unicorns, you end up a pariah with a completely trashed economy - what will you do then?

EU passport holders will have no issues moving to another EU country of their choice, Brits with money will be fine, but that will leave Mr & Mrs Everybody up sh*t creek without a paddle... Oh and I somehow doubt that the EU would want you back.

Moby

If it is a Leave Cameron would almost certainly not survive and the next government would be run by the right wing awkward squad with Farage in the Lords, possibly as a minister, re-negotiating our position with our main trading partners, despite showing themselves unable to understand or explain the Single Market!
If it is a Remain the government would have to look at the poor condition of our democracy and the standing of politicians, as well as the reactions to our underfunded public services, which are at heart, the problem driving the popularity of 'Leave'.To me the most potent 'Leave' argument is the struggling public services. The problem is the 'Leave' camp is led by politicians who should be least trusted to rejuvinate those same services! I know Grayling and Gove, they are right wing free marketeers, who have no interest in improving public services! I don't know Johnston but he clearly will/say do whatever it takes to improve his career. Only yesterday on Sky I saw a recent interview of him saying enthusiastically we should remain in the Union!
How can Gisela Stuart possibly stand on the same platform as them God only knows!

A dose of one nation centrism might be the result from pragmatic Cameron landing on the winning side on Thursday. Corbyn's angle needs to emphasise again and again working conditions, equal pay etc. Cheap migrant labour forcing down working conditions and costs is a no no in future. Special funds will be needed to support services in areas particularly hit by migration! Hopefully we have the brexiters on the runn now and hopefully we'll see the back of Farage and his one issue ilk!

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I am more racist that I'd ever have thought. I've watched schools fill with people who speak Eastern European and well, I can't seem to get in the School Office without some heavily accented voice being there before me. I also can't get my special needs kids into an alternative school that might actually meet their needs. There's no spaces anywhere. This is getting worse not better.

I moved into a refuge.., was trying to find out where a park was. Asked at least ten people for directions including two shop owners, not one spoke English. There wasn't a single chain store open within half an hour walk, I tried to find them (have two kids with ASD, spices aren't their thing).

I was on a bus yesterday, three adults, eight children of various ages, none of them speaking English. Not one. It seems like there are more people like this than people who speak English here. After watching an episode of 'How to Get a Council House' re immigrants and seeing one five children family, not one had a job, not one met the local connection rules, and yet they were given emergency housing (I had to jump through all sorts of hoops to be given emergency housing), I changed my mind on what racism means.

I was suddenly very very depressed.

I'd never thought I'd qualify as a racist, but I guess I must be. Or is it just that I am really really concerned, at a time when every public service is cut beyond to the bone, how on earth can this refusal to face the fact that unless more money is spent on services (and not on benefits for people who come here without a job and it seems they do get them regardless of what we are told), we can't absorb more people, officially or unofficially? And leaving the EEC with their insane legislation, veto's, non veto's, pressure, wanting us to be a large European State (as long as they can all look after their own private interests of course) seems to be an answer. Seeing David Cameron come away from the latest meeting, after saying he was asking for x y and z, and meeting mostly blank refusal, doesn't fill me with confidence that we are one of those countries with any influence. NO expert can predict what will happen.., unless they have a crystal ball. I am so SICK of David Cameron coming up with the 7 year negotiation period Canada is undergoing.., as if that will happen with the UK. Its like comparing Apples and Pears.., its not a new trade etc agreement we need (like Canada), its a better than the old one.

I think what most people want is CHANGE and sense. And I don't think the EEC is prepared to be more responsive to this need for change and sense. All I want is what has been happening to not continue to happen ad infinitum. I think this country is strong enough to deal with the immediate short term problems leaving will cause. We dealt with the banking crisis better than any other country (including the US). WE not any other country led the world with our strategies. And yet we aren't allowed to get anything meaningful from the EEC.

If that makes me a racist, then very sadly, I am.

mwpt

deannatrois wrote: »

I am more racist that I'd ever have thought. I've watched schools fill with people who speak Eastern European and well, I can't seem to get in the School Office without some heavily accented voice being there before me.

I moved into a refuge.., was trying to find out where a park was. Asked at least ten people for directions including two shop owners, not one spoke English. There wasn't a single chain store open within half an hour walk, I tried to find them (have two kids with ASD, spices aren't their thing).

I was on a bus yesterday, three adults, eight children of various ages, none of them speaking English. Not one. It seems like there are more people like this than people who speak English here. After watching an episode of 'How to Get a Council House' re immigrants and seeing one five children family, not one had a job, not one met the local connection rules, and yet they were given emergency housing (I had to jump through all sorts of hoops to be given emergency housing), I changed my mind on what racism means.

I was suddenly very very depressed.

I'd never thought I'd qualify as a racist, but I guess I must be. Or is it just that I am really really concerned, at a time when every public service is cut beyond to the bone, how on earth can this refusal to face the fact that unless more money is spent on services, we can't absorb more people, officially or unofficially? And leaving the EEC with their insane legislation, veto's, non veto's, pressure, wanting us to be a capital state (as long as they can all look after their own private interests of course) seems to be an answer.

I think what most people want is CHANGE. And I don't think the EEC is prepared to be more responsive to this need for change and sense.

If that makes me a racist, then very sadly, I am.

I think that a lot of remain voters understand and empathise with at least some of your concerns.

The problem is though, that this is not really an issue caused by EU immigration. EU immigration pays for itself. The immigrants from the EU contribute more to our tax take than they take out on services. With fewer EU immigrants, our tax take would be lower per capita and services would have to be cut further.

The issue is predominantly that we have an ageing population whose tax contributions throughout their lives do not cover their retirement lives in the form of medical care, pensions and so forth. Do not mistake this sentence as disrespect for retired people. This is not their fault, but it is a fact.

What this means is that either we need to have higher individual taxes for young working people or we need to have more working age people contributing to tax in the form of higher birth rate or immigration.

The fact is that most people below 40, and even more under 30, ie. most younger working age people, will be voting to stay in the EU because they still have their working future ahead of them and see it as better and brighter inside the EU than out.

Unfortunately, the people who don't stand to lose the most, the elderly, who are having their retirements paid for by the workers, don't really understand this and will be voting out.

Thrugelmir

michaels wrote: »

Yes but ukip only got 4m votes at the last general election so why should anyone care about them?

Don't the opinions of 4 million people count? More so than Richard Branson that's lived on his own island for many years. Telling people what they have to accept is a sure way of getting backs up.

lisyloo

Unfortunately, the people who don't stand to lose the most, the elderly

What does an elderly person - possibly receiving medical care, housing, pension etc. stand to lose.
Which bit are you going to cut?
Are you not going to tend to their leg ulcers? Are you going to put them out on the streets? Are you going to remove their subsistence pension?

Not sure I understand what those at that end of life stand to lose.

If you aren't going to put them on the streets then you HAVE to house and care for them.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Why don't you just say what you actually think Clapton?

What kind of "foreigner" is allowed to live in London, in your brave new world. The ones who work in the NHS? Investment bankers from New York? Asylum seekers who are nothing to do with the EU?

Which people are you and your neo-brownshirt movement going to expel first?

Wouldn't houses be so much cheaper and everything so much nicer if we just got rid of everyone you disapprove of?

Vile.

I have said what I think many times : you on the other hand cower behind hate filled bile and nonsense (often with lots of meaningless pictures ) :

The sort of foreigners I want to welcome to the UK are those that come in the low 10s of thousands each year and those that very broadly share our cultural, political and moral values.

The reason I want a smaller population growth I have explained many times. (but am more than happy to repeat if you have missed it.)

Now maybe you could say what types of foreigners you want to welcome here and in what numbers.
Is it unlimited numbers from any and all parts of the world?

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

What this means is that either we need to have higher individual taxes for young working people or we need to have more working age people contributing to tax in the form of higher birth rate or immigration.

Sounds a bit like a ponzi scheme to me.

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

Sounds a bit like a ponzi scheme to me.

Indeed, but the people that vote the most are those at the top of the pyramid. This is note a blame thing, I'm just pointing out realities.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

Indeed, but the people that vote the most are those at the top of the pyramid. This is note a blame thing, I'm just pointing out realities.

Well, given the inevitable collapse of such schemes, when do you think we will reach that point?