If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

Conrad wrote: »

You have chosen to ignore what leave are voting for, you prefer being ignorant of the aims because this suits your mentality whereas other people prefer availing themselves properly of both arguments before coming to a decision.


Do not blame your self inflicted ignorance on others.


Imagine being satisfied with a slew of Treasury forecasts all that set out only to consider the downside effects, and specifically did not look at the upside. This slew of studies is what allows Osborne to claim today there will be a £30bn black hole - as the average finding of those negative only studies of course arrives at this conclusion. They calibrated their most negative study to show a 6% GDP decline as this study significantly skews the average


I'd be ashamed of myself for being so easily hoodwinked

Interesting. So you choose to ignore the majority of the opinions being expressed by world leaders, economists, trade organisations, businesses, banks, etc and I'm the one being hoodwinked.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

I'm jealous.
A EU passport will indeed become an invaluable asset after brexit.

I'm sure that China, Indian, Aus, NZ, USA, Canada, Pacific Islands, Brazil, Nepal, Russia, Korea, Somalia, Kenya and the other 180 countries of the world, will all be queuing up to renounce their own sovereignty to get that precious EU passport.
One wonders how they have existed for so long without one.

But i guess you will want Turkey to be fasted tracked in view of the rush.

wymondham

mayonnaise wrote: »

A EU passport will indeed become an invaluable asset after brexit.

they'll come in cornflake packets wont they?

michaels

mwpt wrote: »

Exactly. The posters on here clearly don't agree on what the UK would look like or what deal we would pursue after a leave vote. There is no plan to vote for because the leave campaign have not proposed one. The reason they have not proposed one is obvious: they know it will split their vote when voters realise they won't be getting what they think they are voting for.

So that is why the leave campaign has to operate by simply banging on about theoretical stuff and calling the remain campaign fear mongers. They have no other alternative, they have no positive plan to show anyone. They made some fickle attempt to show a plan yesterday but it was basically much the same and amounts to vague hand waving of "control immigration, take back power".

Yup - no plan and no one has put forward any suggestions:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36534802

Vote Leave said the government should invite figures from other parties, business, the law and civil society to join the negotiating team to "get a good deal in the national interest".
It called for immediate legislation in the current session of Parliament to "end the European Court of Justice's control over national security and allow the government to deport criminals from the EU".
"After we vote Leave, the public need to see that there is immediate action to take back control from the EU," Leave campaigner and Leader of the Commons Chris Grayling said.
"We will need a carefully managed negotiation process and some major legislative changes before 2020, including taking real steps to limit immigration, to abolish VAT on fuel and tampons, and to end the situation where an international court can tell us who we can and cannot deport."
Vote Leave said over subsequent sessions of Parliament it wanted to introduce:

• Finance Bill - This would abolish the 5% rate of VAT on household energy bills by amending the Value Added Tax Act 1994. It would be paid for by savings from the UK's contributions to the EU budget, Vote Leave said
• National Health Service (Funding Target) Bill - The NHS would receive a £100m per week real-terms cash "transfusion", to be paid for by savings from leaving the EU
• Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"
• Free Trade Bill - The UK leaves the EU's "common commercial policy" to "restore the UK government's power to control its own trade policy"
• European Communities Act 1972 (Repeal) Bill - The European Communities Act 1972, "the legal basis for the supremacy of EU law in the UK", will be repealed. "The EU Treaties will cease to form part of UK law and the European Court's jurisdiction over the UK will end," said Vote Leave.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm sure that China, Indian, Aus, NZ, USA, Canada, Pacific Islands, Brazil, Nepal, Russia, Korea, Somalia, Kenya and the other 180 countries of the world, will all be queuing up to renounce their own sovereignty to get that precious EU passport.
One wonders how they have existed for so long without one.

But i guess you will want Turkey to be fasted tracked in view of the rush.

Aus, NZ, USA, Canada, Brazil and Korea are already members of regional trade bodies and aren't rushing to withdraw from them.

But lets not get facts get in the way of ill educated, ignorant, hyperbolic nonsense.

mayonnaise

wymondham wrote: »

they'll come in cornflake packets wont they?

You may find it funny, but losing the EU passport will inevitably come with losing the automatic right to live and work anywhere in the EU.
This might or might not be relevant to you, but it sure is for millions of others.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

Where I sit on the other side of the Chanel, I see a Britain struggling economically and with very poor infrastructure, isn't that the reason you want to leave the EU?

Where I sit in the UK I see the French only being interested in one thing , themselves. The RoW isn't sitting idly by while the French strike.

Wheezy_2

michaels wrote: »

Asylum and Immigration Control Bill - "To end the automatic right of all EU citizens to enter the UK"

Does that mean I'll have to apply for a visa to live in my own house?

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Aus, NZ, USA, Canada, Brazil and Korea are already members of regional trade bodies and aren't rushing to withdraw from them.

But lets not get facts get in the way of ill educated, ignorant, hyperbolic nonsense.

Leave is very happy to be in a regional trade body.

The EU is not a regional trade body.

wymondham

mayonnaise wrote: »

You may find it funny, but losing the EU passport will inevitably come with losing the automatic right to live and work anywhere in the EU.
This might or might not be relevant to you, but it sure is for millions of others.

that's true, and visa-versa.

Most UK people live and work in the UK, so this aspect should surely take priority over the small amount of people who choose to live and work abroad?