If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Doesn't matter anymore Stevie.
If the Great British Public chooses to be fooled by snake oil merchants like Gove/Boris/IDS/Farage/Patel, I wish them all the best. They'll get the government they deserve.
If we brexit, I won't shed a single tear when our little england brexiteers will start losing their jobs, benefits, homes and livelihoods over the coming years. They were warned and chose not to listen.

stay or go I wish the best for the people of both the UK and of Europe.
However, no surprise to read such vindicative bile from a loony racist leftie who has always hated most of their fellow countrypeople.

Tromking

CLAPTON wrote: »

stay or go I wish the best for the people of both the UK and of Europe.
However, no surprise to read such vindicative bile from a loony racist leftie who has always hated most of their fellow countrypeople.

Indeed.
Like most Leftists they kid themselves that their view is somehow the intellectual one, when usually its the one based on rigid dogma and a lack of grace for the other side of the argument.
Mayo is the lefty bore in the pub with the sh*tty attitude.

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Doesn't matter anymore Stevie.
If the Great British Public chooses to be fooled by snake oil merchants like Gove/Boris/IDS/Farage/Patel, I wish them all the best. They'll get the government they deserve.

Sums up the intellectual level of the debate. Name calling is pathetically dumb. In essence every man to himself and sod the rest. Perhaps that's in part the discontent that being voiced in the polls. The silent majority are expressing an opinion. Fed up with the ignorance being displayed by career politicians so hopelessly inept and out of touch.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/world-spectator-backs-brexit/

The Spectator has joined the light side.

What a suprise......from the rag owned by the Barclay Bros.

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Sums up the intellectual level of the debate. Name calling is pathetically dumb. In essence every man to himself and sod the rest. Perhaps that's in part the discontent that being voiced in the polls. The silent majority are expressing an opinion. Fed up with the ignorance being displayed by career politicians so hopelessly inept and out of touch.

No I dont think so.......its an anti immigration fest. Every Brexiteer I speak to says so!

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

What a suprise......from the rag owned by the Barclay Bros.

BobQ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The irony of this.

You know if you're voting for Remain you're just voting for a "less uncertain" option. There are plenty of risks associated with staying in the EU.

That's the same as saying the Conservatives will tear up all the workers rights after a vote to leave like the Remain campaign continually tells us will happen. They've had plenty of chances to reduce workers rights to the minimum EU standard and they haven't done so. Not to mention that the leave campaign isn't the government.

If the majority of the Conservative party supports Remain why would they u-turn and remove the workers rights they are fighting for by advocating for Remain (so they keep telling us)? Where's the logic?

You want the leave campaign, which is not a political party, which does not have a manifesto to produce a plan that it can never implement?

If you wanted a plan you should ask David Cameron, he's clearly called the vote without a plan for both options to force a bias towards remaining. You're being played by Dave if you think it's up to the leave campaign to give you a roadmap on how leave is going to work. After the vote, it's up to Dave!

There is some truth in this. But what I find ironic is the idea we should have a GE, which Cameron may see as his final farewell (he would have remained until the next election). But what sort of an election would it be? Labour is a little divided but the Conservatives are very divided. Which Tory would you vote for: the one who said he wants to avert disaster by withdrawing our "resignation" (which they would most likely accept); or the one who said he will campaign for a trade deal that keeps us close to the EU; or the one who wants to expel the foreigners and adopt WTO rules?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

or the one who wants to expel the foreigners and adopt WTO rules?

which politicians wants to expel the foreign born people?

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

2) Our neighbours will not wish to disrupt trade as this will hurt them immediately (Spain, Italy and France cannot afford even higher unemployment) and thus this is far more important than punishing us for some theoretical abstract future reason others may want to leave unless we are punished.
Disrupted trade = higher borrowing costs for EU

insight

Even if I accepted this argument, who is to say that the rEU will not say: we have two years then we can ditch this ungrateful lot. In that scenarion trade continues as before but the 8% they export to us gradually declines as they increase trade with Canada and others. Meanwhile our exports to the EU decline to 30% as they seek alternative markets.

The idea that it is necessary to disrupt trade is misleading it will just decline as the EU looks elsewhere. Meanwhile we will be frantically trying to negotiate trade deals with nations who do not see us as important any longer.

This is also the consequence of the Brexit economist Minford's policy of allowing manufacturing to decline.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Meanwhile we will be frantically trying to negotiate trade deals with nations who do not see us as important any longer.

This is also the consequence of the Brexit economist Minford's policy of allowing manufacturing to decline.

why do we need to frantically do anything

we already trade with about 150 countries outside the EU : I'm not aware any of the trading is 'frantic'