If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

Juncer is now making veiled threats if we vote to leave. Personally that's reason enough for me to want out.

And here was me thinking that you were teetering on voting in, if only that dastardly Juncker had kept quiet.

As Crashy would say... :rotfl:

mayonnaise

Sapphire wrote: »

Yes, indeed. Moreover, Juncker appears to be permanently drunk – I cannot imagine why the EU employed such a horrible, disrespectful unelected character in a position where he thinks he can order sovereign nations about. The man is a disgrace.

Unelected character? Juncker was elected by a democratically elected European Parliament.

With 422 votes in favour, the European Parliament elected Jean-Claude Juncker in a secret ballot on 15 July as President of the new European Commission to take office on 1 November 2014 for a five year term. The minimum number of votes required was 376.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20140714IPR52341/Parliament-elects-Jean-Claude-Juncker-as-Commission-President

Glad to help.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

Juncker was just stating the facts.
If you leave a club after many years of membership and by that leaving suggest the club is not very good, don't you think you would get a frosty reception if you wanted to visit.

People are small minded and can be vindictive. That's the real world. However it does not stop us leaving but we will have to deal with the real world if we do.

he partially stated the 'facts'

he should have said that the UK will be made unwelcome by the EU ruling class and so the EU will deliberately damage the economic prospects of their own ordinary people to make their political point: basically the sort of vindictive behaviour that leads to french farmers blocking the roads and ports and sometimes even to war.

The UK (both political class and ordinary people) will of course be fully willing to engage in trade in a neighbourly way as always to the benefit of all.

I guess you include yourself in the 'small minded and vindictive' category.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Unelected character? Juncker was elected by a democratically elected European Parliament.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20140714IPR52341/Parliament-elects-Jean-Claude-Juncker-as-Commission-President

Glad to help.

He wasn't 'elected' by the EU Parliament, he was endorsed.

There's a difference.

More about EU ineptitude: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/27/eu-democratic-bandwagon-juncker-president-wanted

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

He wasn't 'elected' by the EU Parliament, he was endorsed.

There's a difference.

Fair enough.
Yes, first he was nominated by a 26-2 majority of democratically elected national leaders , with the Hungarian and British PM voting against.
This was then endorsed by a free democratic vote in the democratically elected European Parliament.
Ok like this?

wymondham

With George Osborne now saying a vote to leave will lead to house prices going down (best argument to leave to date!), how many of those of voting age and looking to buy will twig this might be a good thing?

Its also another line from the leave campaign aimed solely at money, and how much more it will cost us or how much we will lose. To my mind, money is not the main purpose of the vote, although its obviously a big thing for big business/lovey actors and actresses and rich politicians... (wonder why?)

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Fair enough.
Yes, first he was nominated by a 26-2 majority of democratically elected national leaders , with the Hungarian and British PM voting against.
This was then endorsed by a free democratic vote in the democratically elected European Parliament.
Ok like this?

More accurately, the democratically elected European Parliament endorsed the only candidate available to them.

I was thinking what this process reminded me of.

And then I realised http://goo.gl/NaA2JI

mayonnaise

wymondham wrote: »

With George Osborne now saying a vote to leave will lead to house prices going down (best argument to leave to date!), how many of those of voting age and looking to buy will twig this might be a good thing?

This was aptly adressed by DRP in the 'other' thead.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5465795

DRP wrote: »

I'd imagine your post-brexit 2 grand will be somewhat offset by lack of available mortgages as banks and the economy tanks into recession...

We've seen house prices tanking before... 2008-2009, remember?
Economy in recession, massive redundancies and the banks turning off the taps. How well did that turn out for prospective buyers?

michaels

'Tanking' by growing between 10 and 18% less than they would otherwise have done - which means what -6% to +2% in 2 years time. It is hardly world war 3

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

More accurately, the democratically elected European Parliament endorsed the only candidate available to them.

I was thinking what this process reminded me of.

And then I realised http://goo.gl/NaA2JI

Funny, but irrelevant.
There were several candidates for the EU Commission Presidency.
Here they are : http://www.debatingeurope.eu/focus/presidential-candidates/#.V0A1yb62F5A
As I said, the democratically elected leaders of each EU member chose Junkers 26-2, which was then endorsed by a democratic vote in the democratically elected European Parliament.