If we vote for Brexit what happens

HornetSaver

BobQ wrote: »

The mind boggles to think of Trump and Johnson with fingers on the nuclear button!

If it makes you feel any better, Boris would probably forget the code, and Trump would presumably get his butler to do it for him. He can't have two mad ones in a row, right?

HornetSaver

Rinoa wrote: »

Juncer is now making veiled threats if we vote to leave. Personally that's reason enough for me to want out.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/75222/leave-campaigners-seize-jean-claude-juncker-brexit

Here's the bit I don't understand. Why would European division be a downside to Britain in the event of us leaving?

Let's say we do vote to leave, and the EU's response is that it doesn't give us a particularly attractive deal, knowing that no matter how poor the opening offers we will sign up to something before 23 June 2018.

Economically it doesn't make a lot of sense to the EU to give us a hard time, but let us not forget that the EU has 27 nations plus the EU parliament itself, and each and every one of those have their own political considerations. There's going to be a lot of pressure from a lot of nations not to be seen to be giving the UK a good deal having plunged the EU into a crisis.

So in that context, why would the prospect of increased European division worry us? If we do vote to leave - personally I think the best thing to do is remain in and wait for the thing to fall apart - surely the sooner rEU unravels the stronger our negotiating position with other countries becomes?

Moby

BobQ wrote: »

I used to think that Boris was just someone who said what he thought but was cleverer than the buffoon he pretended to be. Now he has shown himself in a different light. Even a dyed in the wool party man like the mace wielding Hezza can see him for the prat that he is. Definitely not Prime Ministerial material.

The mind boggles to think of Trump and Johnson with fingers on the nuclear button!

In London some of us have always known this. I still dont understand how he became Mayor!

Moby

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Hamish, I'm voting remain so calm youself. However, it was an interesting read with a few 'hmmmm's' here and there and relevant to the thread. Kellner thinks it will be a remain vote, but that the phone polls have some deep flaws that their experiment showed.

There are still a few weeks to go, the polls are all over the place and the polling companies are constantly tweaking their methodologies still as you point out. This makes it difficult to sort out trends as one poll can't be compared to the last as changes have been made.

Who knows.

Take it from me it will be a good Bremain victory. The Brexit bunch are being slowly deconstructed back to their core of bigotry and fear of the 'other'.;)

buglawton

This morning's news: Treasury stated that house prices will fall between 10% and 18% with Brexit. Osborne endorses this statement which is now being spread all over the media with his name attached.
He must have crystal balls.
It's a bit dangerous have a chancellor this incompetent (or partisan).

A top estate agency commentator said of this: Highly suspect prediction but a fall in headline prices even if true, would only be due to increased cost of credit, so real affordability would be no better.

Brexit or not, not one extra home gets built as a result of this governments (Osbornes) policies.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

Cameron really needs to keep a gag on Juncker and his colleagues.

They obviously don't rate the rights of the British voters to make a choice.

Juncker was just stating the facts.
If you leave a club after many years of membership and by that leaving suggest the club is not very good, don't you think you would get a frosty reception if you wanted to visit.

People are small minded and can be vindictive. That's the real world. However it does not stop us leaving but we will have to deal with the real world if we do.

mrginge

HornetSaver wrote: »

So in that context, why would the prospect of increased European division worry us? If we do vote to leave - personally I think the best thing to do is remain in and wait for the thing to fall apart - surely the sooner rEU unravels the stronger our negotiating position with other countries becomes?

I don't understand the logic.
You want the EU to unravel but the way to achieve that is to stay in it?

HornetSaver

buglawton wrote: »

This morning's news: Treasury stated that house prices will fall between 10% and 18% with Brexit. Osborne endorses this statement which is now being spread all over the media with his name attached.

Surprised there isn't a full blown thread on it yet.

But regardless of whether that prediction is reasonable or ridiculous, it's an odd thing for him to say.

Those leaning towards Remain are disproportionately graduates, disproportionately professionals, and disproportionately young - groups that are struggling to understand why getting that first step on the housing ladder is proving as difficult as it is. Very odd for a senior Remain figure to put out there the possibility that leaving might cool down the housing market, as I doubt the potential to swing undecided voters towards Remain is as great as the potential to nudge people in the opposite direction.

michaels

10 to 18 less than remain - ie 0 to -8 over 2 years, I think the uk will cope.

buglawton

HornetSaver wrote: »

Surprised there isn't a full blown thread on it yet.

But regardless of whether that prediction is reasonable or ridiculous, it's an odd thing for him to say.

Those leaning towards Remain are disproportionately graduates, disproportionately professionals, and disproportionately young - groups that are struggling to understand why getting that first step on the housing ladder is proving as difficult as it is. Very odd for a senior Remain figure to put out there the possibility that leaving might cool down the housing market, as I doubt the potential to swing undecided voters towards Remain is as great as the potential to nudge people in the opposite direction.

There is now.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5465795
In fact there's more than one.

Osborne, master of the financial faux pas and unintended consequence.