If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

CLAPTON wrote: »

If TPP never actually comes to fruition, will you be returning to the UK because of the collapse of the Aus economy?

Those small minded Aussies with their outdated model of sovereignty, why on earth aren't they in a federal bloc with NZ, Indonesia and the rest?


Silly boys, 'isolated' from the world, 'unable to work with others across borders' just as Cleg always asserts.


Fancy only having trade deals, and a local common market, but no federation, surely they will 'bring down the global economy' acting this way. The draw bridge is up, they are inward looking, lol.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

Again you ignore the lessons from history, I don't know why you would do this? People aren't 'set in stone', things can and do change otherwise we'd literally never change anything. Have you not seen the films about Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (thousands of other examples) that single handedly reshaped events?

Sure Conrad, that's possible.
Let's wait and see if we'll see some real statemenship from Boris, someone who's made a career out of foppish buffoonery. I won't keep my hopes up, but I'm a positive person by nature and happy to be proven wrong.

Filo25

Rinoa wrote: »

Why not.The EU/Canada deal's already sorted. We'll just have the Canada deal. It's simply a matter of substituting UK for Canada on the word processor and the deals waiting to be signed.

I won't claim to be an expert on it, but my understanding is that the Canada deal would be a pretty terrible one for the UK, as it doesn't give Canada's financial service companies full access to the EU market.

That might not be a big issue for Canada, but it would be a huge one for the UK.

Filo25

CLAPTON wrote: »

One assumes these countries already trade between each other?
One assumes they are not all basket cases due to the lack of TPP.

If TPP never actually comes to fruition, will you be returning to the UK because of the collapse of the Aus economy?

I for one am not saying that we would be a basket case outside the EU, just that in the short-medium term we would be worse off than we would be inside it.

I'm also not saying that we can't trade with other countries without trade deals, just that we would do less trade than we would with favourable deals in place.

Filo25

mayonnaise wrote: »

Sure Conrad, that's possible.
Let's wait and see if we'll see some real statemenship from Boris, someone who's made a career out of foppish buffoonery. I won't keep my hopes up, but I'm a positive person by nature and happy to be proven wrong.

We seem to be entering an era where political leadership is becoming ever more populist and less statesmanlike than ever, so I still wouldn't be shocked to see him become PM, He has looked completely out of his depth in this campaign, but he's not alone in that on all sides of this particular debate.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

I won't claim to be an expert on it, but my understanding is that the Canada deal would be a pretty terrible one for the UK, as it doesn't give Canada's financial service companies full access to the EU market.

That might not be a big issue for Canada, but it would be a huge one for the UK.

extraordinary then that the UK does more trade in financial services with USA than with EU :

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

We seem to be entering an era where political leadership is becoming ever more populist and less statesmanlike than ever, so I still wouldn't be shocked to see him become PM, He has looked completely out of his depth in this campaign, but he's not alone in that on all sides of this particular debate.

Yes we all long for those great days of Blair and Brown and Major Kinnock and Thatcher who grandly never considered the views of the scum voters and played upon the world stage, striving to save mankind.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

I for one am not saying that we would be a basket case outside the EU, just that in the short-medium term we would be worse off than we would be inside it.

I'm also not saying that we can't trade with other countries without trade deals, just that we would do less trade than we would with favourable deals in place.

how do you know that the freedom to form trade aliases with the rest of the world without taking 10-20 years, will reduce trade : is there a text book that suggests that?

BobQ

Rinoa wrote: »

Why not.The EU/Canada deal's already sorted. We'll just have the Canada deal. It's simply a matter of substituting UK for Canada on the word processor and the deals waiting to be signed.

CETA took 7 years and it is still not in place.

Do you agree with Clapton that a trade agreement is not needed - we could just use the WTO tariffs and regulations?

BobQ

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is not, and never will be anything Churchillian about Boris.
He's completely out of his depth in the EU debate and is rapidly coming off the rails. Equating the EU with Hitler, dismissing Obama's views because he's black or rehashing populist catchphrases on bananas, hoovers and kettles. It will appeal to a small portion of the populace, but it's all getting rather boring in my opinion.

I used to think that Boris was just someone who said what he thought but was cleverer than the buffoon he pretended to be. Now he has shown himself in a different light. Even a dyed in the wool party man like the mace wielding Hezza can see him for the prat that he is. Definitely not Prime Ministerial material.

The mind boggles to think of Trump and Johnson with fingers on the nuclear button!