If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Again you ignore the lessons from history, I don't know why you would do this? People aren't 'set in stone', things can and do change otherwise we'd literally never change anything. Have you not seen the films about Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (thousands of other examples) that single handedly reshaped events, overturning orthodoxy?
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People can change their minds and admit mistakes I agree but BoJo is playing politics with a very big issue for this country, motivated by his own political aspirations. This is not statesmanlike. The idea that BoJo is capable of influencing change like Gates and Jobs is risable. Even his own supporters do not understand his arguments.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-boris-johnson-accused-of-dishonest-gymnastics-over-ttip-u-turn-a7030981.html

The grandson of Winston Churchill has accused Boris Johnson of “fundamentally dishonest gymnastics” for reversing his position on the planned multibillion-pound TTIP trade agreement between the US and the EU.

Sir Nicholas Soames, the MP for Mid Sussex, told the Observer said Mr Johnson’s Brexit-inspired U-turn was “typical of Boris’ now regular inconsistencies”.

Lord Heseltine launched an extraordinary attack on Boris Johnson last night over his ‘obscene’ comments about Adolf Hitler.

The former deputy prime minister said the former London mayor was ‘losing his judgement’ – and said he would be ‘very surprised’ if ever becomes Tory leader.

The intervention by Lord Heseltine, a key member of the Remain campaign, marks a further escalation in the war between the two sides of the Conservative party.

In his interview yesterday, Lord Hesetline issued a series of attacks on the former mayor, saying: ‘I think the strain is beginning to tell’.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3595886/Boris-ohnson-losing-says-Lord-Heseltine-Former-deputy-PM-attacks-former-London-mayor-obscene-comments-Hitler-says-surprised-Tory-leader.html#ixzz49E1M0uZl

These are not statement by the left, they are statements from within his own party.

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Those small minded Aussies with their outdated model of sovereignty, why on earth aren't they in a federal bloc with NZ, Indonesia and the rest?

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Ever heard of the Transpacific Trade Agreement?

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

Yes we all long for those great days of Blair and Brown and Major Kinnock and Thatcher who grandly never considered the views of the scum voters and played upon the world stage, striving to save mankind.

Kinnock was never in power!

Rinoa

BobQ wrote: »

CETA took 7 years and it is still not in place.

Do you agree with Clapton that a trade agreement is not needed - we could just use the WTO tariffs and regulations?

A trade agreement would be OK if we benefit from it, but trade agreements have their negative points, especially with the EU. Plus we have the enforced political association which isn't working well for any EU country.

Juncer is now making veiled threats if we vote to leave. Personally that's reason enough for me to want out.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/75222/leave-campaigners-seize-jean-claude-juncker-brexit

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Kinnock was never in power!

Do try to keep up : my comment was in relation to

We seem to be entering an era where political leadership is becoming ever more populist and less statesmanlike than ever, so I still wouldn't be shocked to see him become PM, He has looked completely out of his depth in this campaign, but he's not alone in that on all sides of this particular debate.

leadership : not power

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

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Juncer is now making veiled threats if we vote to leave. Personally that's reason enough for me to want out.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/75222/leave-campaigners-seize-jean-claude-juncker-brexit

Cameron really needs to keep a gag on Juncker and his colleagues.

They obviously don't rate the rights of the British voters to make a choice.

typistretired

kabayiri wrote: »

Cameron really needs to keep a gag on Juncker and his colleagues.

They obviously don't rate the rights of the British voters to make a choice.

I agree if they wanted us to stay so much why did they practically sneer at the changes Cameron attempted to achieve.

Sapphire

typistretired wrote: »

I agree if they wanted us to stay so much why did they practically sneer at the changes Cameron attempted to achieve.

Probably because he wasn't actually trying to achieve any changes – just going through the motions. :mad:

Sapphire

Rinoa wrote: »

Juncer is now making veiled threats if we vote to leave. Personally that's reason enough for me to want out.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/europe/eu-policy-agenda/brexit/news/75222/leave-campaigners-seize-jean-claude-juncker-brexit

Yes, indeed. Moreover, Juncker appears to be permanently drunk – I cannot imagine why the EU employed such a horrible, disrespectful unelected character in a position where he thinks he can order sovereign nations about. The man is a disgrace.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Although YouGovs new online poll also shows a lead for Remain, with admission that the online polls had been picking up too many UKIP voters.


http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Hamish, I'm voting remain so calm youself. However, it was an interesting read with a few 'hmmmm's' here and there and relevant to the thread. Kellner thinks it will be a remain vote, but that the phone polls have some deep flaws that their experiment showed.

There are still a few weeks to go, the polls are all over the place and the polling companies are constantly tweaking their methodologies still as you point out. This makes it difficult to sort out trends as one poll can't be compared to the last as changes have been made.

Who knows.