If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

Well, you will vote to leave whatever the facts are.

What 'facts' are they?

masterwilde

Clapton i will vote to leave. Europe no longer functions as it was set out to. Britains entry to it for the common market has both worked and backfired. I understand the wanting to stay, but there is serious issues within the european union.

Filo25

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you really care aboiut the value of the pound?
do you really care about negative interest rates?

when the pound was equal to the euro did you wish to leave the EU?

you will vote to stay whatever the economics are.

Clapton I've been asking for those economic arguments to support leaving for a while, still waiting.

If someone could make a credible economic case why leaving would be better for us in the short to medium term then I would listen, a lot of people would, we just haven't heard one, hell we haven't even heard the plan for what the UK's trade relations with the rest of the world will look like post Brexit.

But that's ok because apparently its the Remain crew being motivated by blind faith.

Do you not find it odd yourself that your supposed primary reason for supporting the Brexit case is to supposedly protect those poor young Londoners, even though every piece of polling I have seen suggests both Londoners and younger voters strongly support remaining in the EU, still I'm sure they are delighted you are looking out for their interests...

michaels

Perhaps you should read the paper by Patrick Minford et al.

50% (?) of Londoners either they or their parents were born abroard and shockingly they are the most in favour of immigration part of the country.

Filo25

michaels wrote: »

Perhaps you should read the paper by Patrick Minford et al.

50% (?) of Londoneers either they or their parents wee born abroard and shockingly they are the most in favour of immigration part of the country.

So children of immigrants should no longer be allowed to vote then? ( a lot of immigrants clearly won't be able to anyway if they don't have citizenship)

Doesn't really address why the young are generally the most europhile age group mind, and its a very significant difference, if we vote for Brexit, it will be driven by pensioners.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

Clapton I've been asking for those economic arguments to support leaving for a while, still waiting.

If someone could make a credible economic case why leaving would be better for us in the short to medium term then I would listen, a lot of people would, we just haven't heard one, hell we haven't even heard the plan for what the UK's trade relations with the rest of the world will look like post Brexit.

But that's ok because apparently its the Remain crew being motivated by blind faith.

Do you not find it odd yourself that your supposed primary reason for supporting the Brexit case is to supposedly protect those poor young Londoners, even though every piece of polling I have seen suggests both Londoners and younger voters strongly support remaining in the EU, still I'm sure they are delighted you are looking out for their interests...

I am concerned with the welfare and standard of living of the UK people.

I include in this the price of housing and the ability of young people to live in a family sized house : do you?

I include in this the ability to access health care : do you?

I include in this the worsening travel times, overcrowding etc : do you

I include the worsen balance of payments caused by the increasing population requiring more imports (food stuffs, gas, fuel, electronic goods etc ) but not producing more exports : do you?

As you already know our trade is falling with the EU and will continue to do so and our trade with the rest of the world is continuing to rise : I expect this trend to continue : do you?

I disagree that VAT of thermal insulation products should be 20% but would prefer 5% or zero : would you?

I disagree that we should have had tariffs on the agricultural products of third world countries for the last 50 years, as I consider this has damaged their economy and probably been a significant factors in the migration of millions : do you?

Generali

Brexit uses ordinary market noise to sell its tawdry product:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-odds-idUKKCN0Y80ID

The implied probability of a British vote to stay in the European Union rose to 73 percent, according to betting odds supplied by Betfair on Tuesday.

The odds had indicated around a 70 percent probability for around two weeks but the probability of an "In" vote increased over recent days, according to Betfair odds.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

Brexit uses ordinary market noise to sell its tawdry product:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-odds-idUKKCN0Y80ID

Looking at Betfair history for this market I can say with some certainty that the odds have flutuated over time wihout really showing any trend. however if you are confident that this is part of such a trend you know where to put your money.

Last time the odds were over 4.0 I thought it looked like a buy and sure enough within a week it was below 3.0

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

A Trump or Corbyn win (as unlikely as they both are) would at least be a temporary blip, with a light at the end of the tunnel.
Brexit damage will be permanent. The companies relocating to the mainland because they need to be within the single market are not going to come back once we realise the mistake we made by leaving.

it would seem to me that companies relocate their business all the time
I note that HSBC has announced substantial UK redundancies and will relocate the work to SE Asia : presumably this is because they find the EU mainland far too bureaucratic and inflexible and beset with economic and political uncertainty and instability.

michaels

Filo25 wrote: »

So children of immigrants should no longer be allowed to vote then? ( a lot of immigrants clearly won't be able to anyway if they don't have citizenship)

Doesn't really address why the young are generally the most europhile age group mind, and its a very significant difference, if we vote for Brexit, it will be driven by pensioners.

I thought I was addressing the question you raised of why London was the most 'remain' region of the country despite being most impacted by the housing and infrastructure issues caused by uncontrolled population increase rather than who should be allowed to vote?

The reason that younger people tend to be to the left of the political spectrum and older people to the right is a different question imho.