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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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Miss_Samantha wrote: »The free trade argument by Brexit supporters is, quite frankly, nonsensical.
Essentially the claim is that leaving the largest and richest free trade bloc on the planet will be good for trade... Sure.
The EU isn't a free trade area: it is a heavily regulated and restricted area.
Just like the old guides, trade unions, employers organisation of all sorts their aim is to restrict entry to the golden group.
The EU created vast seas of regulation which exclude new entrants, restrict innovation and of course puts tariffs on outsiders.
Thats why all the big companies love it.
one notes that UK trade share with the EU is declining but our trade with the rest of the world is increasing.0 -
The EU isn't a free trade area: it is a heavily regulated and restricted area.
UK companies can trade anywhere in the EU as they do anywhere in the UK, and must be treated as local companies in all EU countries.
But perhaps by 'free trade' you meant to force the Chinese to buy our stuff or face our gunboats?0 -
Whats created so much bad feeling is that the UK people have NEVER had any kind of vote on the terms of our membership of the EU. EVER.
Apart from 1975 you mean. Did we vote on joining the UN, NATO, or any other international body?Every decision has been forced on us. This isnt the case with the majority of other EU members. The people of those countries get to shape the EU. Every treaty change or new member needs to be ratified by a referendum. They can and do force the EU to send stuff back.
But this is incorrect, despite comments to contrary, the UK Parliament is sovereign. Each nation has its own democratic processes. Some require a referendum some do not. In the UK our Parliament votes to approve treaty changes unless it decides to call a referendum.Why cant we do that??? The answer is we could. Its 100% up to our current elected government to put that into law.
Quite. If you do not like this system, you can change the UK Government at an election to one that will support the policies you want.But instead we get this cynical In/Out Bulls**t. We should stay in BUT have a referendum on every treaty change or new member like other EU countries do, In fact ANYTHING that requires ratification by parliament should be put to a vote
As I say then you must campaign to change the law. But where do you stop? Anything could include any EU Law we are asked to enact and then we would have referenda monthly. They cost £100m to hold, is that a good use of tax?Do you think Turkey would ever join the EU if the UK people had a say? What about the other Eastern European basket cases? Not a hope in hell.
Ay present no new members can join the EU unless ALL of the nations support it. So we do have a say.Either way its entirely within the rights of the UK government to offer us this instead of the In/Out rubbish. You have to ask yourself why are we not doing this (and why have they not suggested it)? Pretty much proves beyond any doubt that the referendum is a cynical attempt by an overwhelmingly pro-EU establishment to once again shut the people up and carry on with EU ' business as usual'.
It is a cynical ploy I agree, but one to avoid division in the Conservative Party. I am sure Cameron never expected the vote to be as close as people predict. But at least you get the referendum you want.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
There is costly uncertainty every time we have a general election, consider 2020 and suppose there is a real possibility of a Corbyn victory I am sure the markets would be extremely nervous. I therefore contend that the best option is to cancel democracy because it causes costly uncertainty.
Interesting debating point: which is likely to cause the most instability in the markets, a Brexit vote or Corbyn win or a Trump Presidency? Could be close.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
OK lets face reality here.. look at the economics.
Europe is broke. it operates on negative interest rates.
Europe is taking in 7 more countries 6 of which are the worse off in europe, by far the poorest country is Albania.
Financially speaking, Europe consistently growing with no more to pay for it speaks volumes.0 -
I'd love to know what the German take is on the current EU status, and the plans for it's future growth.
I don't mean German politicians; I mean the men and women in the German towns and cities.
Without Germany's input the Euro would already be toast. So what do the individual citizens over there honestly think they get out of the club?0 -
Interesting debating point: which is likely to cause the most instability in the markets, a Brexit vote or Corbyn win or a Trump Presidency? Could be close.
Well the probability of a Trump Presidency is about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000001% so there is no need to worry about that outcome. A Corbyn win looks positively likely in comparison....0 -
Trump or Corbyn wins would much less significant than Brexit.
Brett would be a deep, long term shift.masterwilde wrote: »Europe is broke. it operates on negative interest rates.
It's no more broke than we are...
As for the interest rates: In case of Brexit we might get negative rates as well, or increased rates to combat the inflation caused by the Pound drop in value... Sounds great either way.0 -
Miss_Samantha wrote: »Trump or Corbyn wins would much less significant than Brexit.
Brett would be a deep, long term shift.
It's no more broke than we are...
As for the interest rates: In case of Brexit we might get negative rates as well, or increased rates to combat the inflation caused by the Pound drop in value... Sounds great either way.
do you really care aboiut the value of the pound?
do you really care about negative interest rates?
when the pound was equal to the euro did you wish to leave the EU?
you will vote to stay whatever the economics are.0 -
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