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If we vote for Brexit what happens
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The future is unknown : the future PMs are unknown
Why do you obsess about the fact that the 'leave' people is unknown when you don't know the future of how 'remain ' will unfold.
As nice an attempt to muddy the issue as I've come to expect Clapton.
But seriously what do you think it Johnson or Gove's vision of what Britain outside the EU would look like and trade like with rEU and the rest of the world, I don't think that's some kind of crazy question.
We've had those say we would follow the Norwegian model before the weaknesses of that were pointed out, then Canada was supposedly the path to follow before it was pointed the issues with that trade deal were pointed out.
The basic argument seems to be right now that it'll be great just because we make our own decisions and really none of us should worry our pretty little heads about the details.
I'm not denying that the Remain camp has talked a fair amount of rubbish as well during this campaign but I don't really care about that so much, because the fact is we know what the UK looks like under a remain vote, we're already living there, and if something radical changes in the EU which we don't like in future then we can always vote to leave again, so the rubbish about us being forced into the Euro or a superstate against our will is absolutely irrelevant.
Maybe Boris would find it easier to articulate a case for what the UK looks like outside the EU if he actually believed we should leave in the first place.0 -
Maybe Boris would find it easier to articulate a case for what the UK looks like outside the EU if he actually believed we should leave in the first place.
Maybe it would help his case if he stopped accusing the EU of having policies like Hitler.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
As nice an attempt to muddy the issue as I've come to expect Clapton.
But seriously what do you think it Johnson or Gove's vision of what Britain outside the EU would look like and trade like with rEU and the rest of the world, I don't think that's some kind of crazy question.
We've had those say we would follow the Norwegian model before the weaknesses of that were pointed out, then Canada was supposedly the path to follow before it was pointed the issues with that trade deal were pointed out.
The basic argument seems to be right now that it'll be great just because we make our own decisions and really none of us should worry our pretty little heads about the details.
I'm not denying that the Remain camp has talked a fair amount of rubbish as well during this campaign but I don't really care about that so much, because the fact is we know what the UK looks like under a remain vote, we're already living there, and if something radical changes in the EU which we don't like in future then we can always vote to leave again, so the rubbish about us being forced into the Euro or a superstate against our will is absolutely irrelevant.
Maybe Boris would find it easier to articulate a case for what the UK looks like outside the EU if he actually believed we should leave in the first place.
What I'm saying is that after 'leave' then the UK parliament will decide what happens next.
Now I now you hate that democratic idea but that's how it is.
Neither Gove nor Johnson may be PM or even in government: most 'leavers' aren't voting of a person but democracy and political control by the UK parliament.
I guess in matters less to you who is the PM, as you are content for the EU to make all your laws, but whose vision of the EU are you voting for?0 -
What I'm saying is that after 'leave' then the UK parliament will decide what happens next.
Now I now you hate that democratic idea but that's how it is.
Neither Gove nor Johnson may be PM or even in government: most 'leavers' aren't voting of a person but democracy and political control by the UK parliament.
I guess in matters less to you who is the PM, as you are content for the EU to make all your laws, but whose vision of the EU are you voting for?
No, it matters more for me what the Economy will look like if we vote Leave, to be honest I'm struggling to think of many laws that the EU have forced on me that I really care much about.
I seem to remember that we recently had a general election and some of the parties even managed to have different policies from each other in spite of our lords and masters in Brussels dictating everything.
I'm more concerned as to whether I'll have a job in a few years, or whether it will end up being moved to within an EU country, along with the rest of the European head office functions where I work.0 -
No, it matters more for me what the Economy will look like if we vote Leave, to be honest I'm struggling to think of many laws that the EU have forced on me that I really care much about.
I seem to remember that we recently had a general election and some of the parties even managed to have different policies from each other in spite of our lords and masters in Brussels dictating everything.
I'm more concerned as to whether I'll have a job in a few years, or whether it will end up being moved to within an EU country, along with the rest of the European head office functions where I work.
since we have been in the EU, millions of people have lost their jobs : do you consider that a reason for you to vote 'leave' or is it only the idea of some-one loosing their job outside the EU that fills you with dread?
10s of millions of people are currently unemployed in the EU due to their economic incompetence : is that a reason for you to vote leave.
I understand your sole concern is your own well being and those of your European HQ functions : I'm sure they are all very worthy and contribute hugely to the economy of the UK so why not?0 -
since we have been in the EU, millions of people have lost their jobs : do you consider that a reason for you to vote 'leave' or is it only the idea of some-one loosing their job outside the EU that fills you with dread?
10s of millions of people are currently unemployed in the EU due to their economic incompetence : is that a reason for you to vote leave.
I understand your sole concern is your own well being and those of your European HQ functions : I'm sure they are all very worthy and contribute hugely to the economy of the UK so why not?
Sorry Clapton you do this too often, its the kind of stuff I associate with Global warming denialist arguments. (the earth has warmed in the past without burning fossil fuels so burning fossil fuels can't cause climate change)
Just to simplify it then, nobody is saying that voting remain or leave is the only thing which is impacting the economy, there are obviously many factors which will do so, but that doesn't mean that leaving the EU won't hurt us as well.
Hence I will repeat again what is the leave campaign's answer to the short-medium term economic uncertainty that a vote to leave is going to cause.
And just to add, amazingly I don't think I am the unluckiest person alive who happens to be the only person to work at a company where hundreds of generally highly paid (and high tax paying) roles are potentially at Brexit, I had a remarkable thought that maybe other similar companies and organisations might have similar issues as well, and that might have negative impacts for the wider economy and government tax receipts....0 -
Sorry Clapton you do this too often, its the kind of stuff I associate with Global warming denialist arguments. (the earth has warmed in the past without burning fossil fuels so burning fossil fuels can't cause climate change)
Just to simplify it then, nobody is saying that voting remain or leave is the only thing which is impacting the economy, there are obviously many factors which will do so, but that doesn't mean that leaving the EU won't hurt us as well.
Hence I will repeat again what is the leave campaign's answer to the short-medium term economic uncertainty that a vote to leave is going to cause.
And just to add, amazingly I don't think I am the unluckiest person alive who happens to be the only person to work at a company where hundreds of generally highly paid (and high tax paying) roles are potentially at Brexit, I had a remarkable thought that maybe other similar companies and organisations might have similar issues as well, and that might have negative impacts for the wider economy and government tax receipts....
no idea what global warming has to do with the discussion nor do I know anything of your personal circumstances except that you perceive that the EU is in your personal best interest.
That provides an excellent reason for you to vote to remain but no reason why others should agree with you.0 -
What I'm saying is that after 'leave' then the UK parliament will decide what happens next.
Now I now you hate that democratic idea but that's how it is.
Neither Gove nor Johnson may be PM or even in government: most 'leavers' aren't voting of a person but democracy and political control by the UK parliament.
I guess in matters less to you who is the PM, as you are content for the EU to make all your laws, but whose vision of the EU are you voting for?
How do you envisage this consensus being arrived at in Parliament?
Do you think that those who favoured remain would unite with those in Leave who favour a Norwegian type deal?
Would you prefer Remaining to having a Norwegian type deal?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
The US has always welcomed inward migration but also seems to encourage assimilation, you get the impression that by second generation most see themselves as Americans not Mexicans/Japanese etc etc.
However the UK has gone down the multiculturalism route where it seems people with different cultural backgrounds ar only British when it suits them to be.
It may seem churlish but lets look at the 'public vote' in the Eurovision song contest:
Lithuania
Poland
Bulgaria
Interesting?
Given an Canadian/Australian style points based system where people are actively choosing to come and settle permanently in the UK might we see a different result?
I am not sure where you get that impression about the US. You obviously have never visited Miami Florida. As my family say who live one hour north of Miami.
"If you want to work in Miami you HAVE to speak Spanish"
It is a few years since I was in California but there are plenty of "Spanish" areas in the suburbs.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0
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