If we vote for Brexit what happens

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Brexit supporters have given various alternatives to EU membership. Remainers just don't want want to believe they're possible.

There are many countries around the world who positively thrive without EU style arrangements. There are many countries in the EU suffering financial difficulties, stagnant growth and high unemployment.

The UK doesn't suffer from high unemployment or stagnant growth.

I'm not saying the UK couldn't be a success outside the EU, that would be ridiculous. The pain of leaving the EU would be massive however and TBH I just don't see any serious gains coming from a Brexit to justify the costs of leaving.

Most of the things that Brexitiers seem to imagine are going to get better outside the EU are either nothing to do with the EU (silly interpretations of human rights rules for example) or won't change (immigration).

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

Given that the median family has 2 kids that means for the median 'younger people' they will inherit one house each.

The idea of buying a house and paying it off is fine but you need to factor in that really only one generation needs do this.

So the tears of oh the local bred kids don't ave a home are misplaced the locals will inherit its the poor immigrant kids that need to try and buy and pay off a home that you should be worrying abooot

another totally nonsense post with a bit a arithmetic in it

What relevance does this have to young people in the later 20s early thirties wanting to live in a family sized house in London/SE?

regprentice

cells wrote: »

Given that the median family has 2 kids that means for the median 'younger people' they will inherit one house each.

The idea of buying a house and paying it off is fine but you need to factor in that really only one generation needs do this.

So the tears of oh the local bred kids don't ave a home are misplaced the locals will inherit its the poor immigrant kids that need to try and buy and pay off a home that you should be worrying abooot

Most people inherit homes (if they are that lucky) from their parents...i would expect most people are bordering on retirement age themselves when their parents peg it (im 40 my parents are only 62)

Things like increased pension ages, equity release, shared appreciation montgages, 8 years of weak growth, the 'death' of annuities etc mean that , in my opinion, are going to contribite to the loss of these homes to peoples retirement funds instead of to the next generation.

As refrenced in my earlier post my BiL lives in oxford...he put in for an 'affordable' housing scheme property...but ignoring getting on the list, being selected or getting a mortgage there was one big problem. An 'afforbable' housing association home costs 200k. In what world is 200k affordable for a coupke earning 15kish each.

michaels

The US has always welcomed inward migration but also seems to encourage assimilation, you get the impression that by second generation most see themselves as Americans not Mexicans/Japanese etc etc.

However the UK has gone down the multiculturalism route where it seems people with different cultural backgrounds ar only British when it suits them to be.

It may seem churlish but lets look at the 'public vote' in the Eurovision song contest:
Lithuania
Poland
Bulgaria

Interesting?

Given an Canadian/Australian style points based system where people are actively choosing to come and settle permanently in the UK might we see a different result?

Generali

michaels wrote: »

The US has always welcomed inward migration but also seems to encourage assimilation, you get the impression that by second generation most see themselves as Americans not Mexicans/Japanese etc etc.

However the UK has gone down the multiculturalism route where it seems people with different cultural backgrounds ar only British when it suits them to be.

It may seem churlish but lets look at the 'public vote' in the Eurovision song contest:
Lithuania
Poland
Bulgaria

Interesting?

Given an Canadian/Australian style points based system where people are actively choosing to come and settle permanently in the UK might we see a different result?

Australia has definitely chosen the multicultural route.

Loads of parents at the Generalissimos' school send their kids to language and culture classes of the Motherland. A friend even sends his kids to Ukrainian Scouts. I know plenty of people born in Australia that describe themselves as being Italian or Greek or whatever and that send their third generation kids to Greek/Italian language classes and actively choose to have mostly 'Greek' or 'Italian' mates.

It's funny that people use Australia as an example of how not being in the EU stops migration as it just hasn't. You'll struggle to find a cab driver or a waitress that speaks with an Australian accent in Sydney and we have a higher immigration rate than the UK.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

Australia has definitely chosen the multicultural route.

Loads of parents at the Generalissimos' school send their kids to language and culture classes of the Motherland. A friend even sends his kids to Ukrainian Scouts. I know plenty of people born in Australia that describe themselves as being Italian or Greek or whatever and that send their third generation kids to Greek/Italian language classes and actively choose to have mostly 'Greek' or 'Italian' mates.

Interesting, do you think this translates into values in Australia, for example in terms of women's rights etc?

Generali wrote: »

It's funny that people use Australia as an example of how not being in the EU stops migration as it just hasn't. You'll struggle to find a cab driver or a waitress that speaks with an Australian accent in Sydney and we have a higher immigration rate than the UK.

Sadly it is very easy to use the racist card to 'dog whistle' to a certain segment of the electorate but there are many in favour of Brexit who would like to see more visas given to Indian software engineers, Chinese Post Grads and Filipino nurses but would rather this was done whilst keeping overall inward migration at current 1% pa levels rather than increasing it. Of course this would require letting in fewer East European self employed car wash operatives and potentially middle class car owners paying more to get their cars hand-washed....

michaels

According to Mark Carney Brexit might result in:

Either higher inflation, which would reduce household incomes, or higher interest rates, which would "impose costs on families".

This is the same Mr Carney who writes to the Chancellor every month to explain why inflation is below the target rate of 2% and is tasked with maintaining monetary stability which you would hope includes 'normalising' interest rates rather than keeping them at emergency levels for ever :rotfl:

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Interesting, do you think this translates into values in Australia, for example in terms of women's rights etc?

I'm not sure really. You do hear some horrific stories (Google MERC for example if you have the stomach for it) but many turn out to be either false or outliers of behaviour.

I think many people that choose to retain their background here often show two faces to the world, one to Australia generally and a completely different one in their self-described community.

In general terms I reckon I have heard less obvious misogynistic comments and chat than I would have expected in the UK but then I believe that objective measures of women's success such as representation on Boards of Directors and equal pay show Aussie women aren't doing as well as British ones so it's hard to say.

michaels wrote: »

Sadly it is very easy to use the racist card to 'dog whistle' to a certain segment of the electorate but there are many in favour of Brexit who would like to see more visas given to Indian software engineers, Chinese Post Grads and Filipino nurses but would rather this was done whilst keeping overall inward migration at current 1% pa levels rather than increasing it. Of course this would require letting in fewer East European self employed car wash operatives and potentially middle class car owners paying more to get their cars hand-washed....

As with any Nationalist group, and Brexit is to some extent a Nationalist movement, there will be some guided by some form of racism. Perhaps a belief that British people are somehow superior to the rest or maybe something darker than that. I'd be very surprised if nobody was voting Brexit because of the !!!!ing Frogs or whatever. That's not to say Brexitier = racist and Remainiac = liberal minded chap of course.

As with anyone looking to change Government policy there will be unexpected outcomes. If Brexit increases wages for example the cost of a car wash or a haircut will increase with them.

Filo25

From the inflation point of view, I would imagine there is a fair amount of uncertainty as to how hard Sterling will get hit in the aftermath of Brexit, to be honest its something concerning me as we are about to book a US trip for later in the year, just paying a deposit on it now, and conscious that its not something I may want to go through with if Sterling weakens considerably against the Dollar post Brexit.

I would rank the prospect of us voting to leave a lot higher than the Bookies seem to be currently doing.

I wonder if there will be any greater clarity from the Leave campaign of their vision for the UK's relations with rEU and the rest of the World post Brexit, at the moment it seems to vary depending on who you speak to and what day of the week it is.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

From the inflation point of view, I would imagine there is a fair amount of uncertainty as to how hard Sterling will get hit in the aftermath of Brexit, to be honest its something concerning me as we are about to book a US trip for later in the year, just paying a deposit on it now, and conscious that its not something I may want to go through with if Sterling weakens considerably against the Dollar post Brexit.

I would rank the prospect of us voting to leave a lot higher than the Bookies seem to be currently doing.

I wonder if there will be any greater clarity from the Leave campaign of their vision for the UK's relations with rEU and the rest of the World post Brexit, at the moment it seems to vary depending on who you speak to and what day of the week it is.

if we remain in the EU, would you say that Cameron's vision of the future is the same as Corbyn's?
Would it be a reason for you to vote 'leave'?