If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

CLAPTON wrote: »

I know of not one person who thinks that the evils of the world will disappear if we leave the EU

Hilarious how the Remains trot out the standard cookie-cutter nonsense buzz lines over and again


In the video Clegg and Chukka pull them all out, even 'we'll be pulling up the drawbridge', lol, so all independent nations are 'isolated' and without friends!!


Soooo infantile

Generali

Conrad wrote: »

• The EU has done free trade deals amounting to $7 trillion dollars of global GDP, little Switzerland has done deals worth $40 trillion worth of global GDP

There isn't $40 trillion of trade to be had. World GDP is only $75 trillion and there is no way that over half of output is traded.

Conrad wrote: »

So if it does nothing of consequence in terms of political union for us, why not just have a trade only agreement....

Don't put words in my mouth, it's boring.

Conrad

•DANIEL HANNAN THE SPECTATOR EVENT; (I did my best to catch it as best I could - this is part of his speech)


“We have outgrown a 1950’s top down construct, of the days when freight costs and refrigeration were expensive, the days when regional trade blocs looked like the future, but this has been made completely redundant by technological advance, this is the age of global trade, the internet. It’s as easy to do business with a company in NZ as it is France. Never before has geographical proximity been as irrelevant.

So why tie ourselves to the one part of the world not experiencing significant economic growth? The EU was no bigger at end of 2015 than in 2006.

We’re a trading people, a maritime people, a people connected by language, by law, by habit and history, by commerce and migration and connection to every part of the world

We’ve never been resource rich WE’VE HAD TO TRADE GLOABALLY.

As long as we’re in the EU we cannot sign independent trade agreements.

The EU / Australia trade deal has been held up due to Italian tomato growers. The Canada deal being held up over a dispute about Romanian Visa’s. What a dreadful waste of time, that typifies the EU quagmire.

Lord Rose and Paddy Ashdown on the Remain side admit prices will fall if we leave, a blessing for poor British families


We’re paying to belong to the worlds only stagnant customs union

Over the term of the last Govt, austerity savings amounted to £36bn (IFS)

Our NET contribution to the EU was £42 bn

Conrad

Generali wrote: »

Don't put words in my mouth, it's boring.

Ahh, you're right, we're not governed at all by the EU, it's all imaginary. The Political construct is of no consequence

Generali

Conrad wrote: »

Ahh, you're right, we're not governed at all by the EU, it's all imaginary. The Political construct is of no consequence


Bless. Keep up the killer argument

I'm happy to debate the facts with you but if you're just going to be a patronising !!!!! then I'll just bung you on ignore with the other trolls.

Life's too short.

How did Switzerland sign a trade deal worth more than half of world GDP?

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

whilst company governance does indeed need changing there are many other aspects of UK life that can be changed by leaving the EU.

Such as?

I'll give you my such as:

My industry will contract. Tech jobs will relocate to Europe. Startups will relocate. Finance institutions based in London will relocate. Small businesses will fail as business dries up.

But as long as you don't have to live near so many foreign people, after you've sponged off the system for so long (rentier system) I guess pulling the ladder up behind you and sacrificing the young is ok.

Hint: The young won't be voting for brexit.

Tromking

mwpt wrote: »

Hint: The young won't be voting for brexit.

Yep.
They probably won't bother voting at all.

Conrad

Generali wrote: »

I'm happy to debate the facts with you but if you're just going to be a patronising !!!!! then I'll just bung you on ignore with the other trolls.

I can just imagine the great thinkers from history resorting to putting people on ignore. You do as you see fit, but you said my contribution was 'boring', so if you want to throw stones about you're certainly going to get some back.


I wont be putting you on ignore, life is too short




Andrew Neil gave the Swiss numbers during the debate. Perhaps he made a mistake, but none the less the argument the EU has done a lowly $ sum of global deals in proportion to those done by independents, is valid

Conrad

mwpt wrote: »

Such as?

I'll give you my such as:

My industry will contract. Tech jobs will relocate to Europe. Startups will relocate. Finance institutions based in London will relocate. Small businesses will fail as business dries up.

The precise argument given by those august (sp) establishment members arguing we must join the Euro.


Talent pools in places such as Singapore, London, NewYork, based on decades of organic synergy. There is no way Germans will stop wanting British F1 or Games, and no way British customers will stop wanting French cheeses.


Even if we only got WTO trade rules (we will 100% do better though), the trade tarrif diffidence is miniscule, all will be well.


People trade. Expertise congregates. Honestly you have nothing to fear, trade knows no barriers, I ordered a bike from China recently, might as well have been ordered from Halfords, I felt no difference.


What is your opinion of the fact financial institutions did not go to Frankfurt and Paris, promised by the Euro protagonists?

Why are the Germans trying to buy our stock exchange, why are Nissan and Seimens investing if Briexit is such a risk, > Follow the money

'UBS is building a major new office in the City, a move which has been seen as a sign of its intent to keep substantial operations in the UK regardless of whether or not British voters choose to stay in the EU'

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Such as?

I'll give you my such as:

My industry will contract. Tech jobs will relocate to Europe. Startups will relocate. Finance institutions based in London will relocate. Small businesses will fail as business dries up.

But as long as you don't have to live near so many foreign people, after you've sponged off the system for so long (rentier system) I guess pulling the ladder up behind you and sacrificing the young is ok.

Hint: The young won't be voting for brexit.

Indeed so, just as all that happened when the UK didn't join the euro.

Do you think we ought to joint he Euro and gain all the benefits that were claimed by the OECD, CBI etc ?
Or were they wrong then as they are wrong now?

I have no way of knowing whether your industry will contract.
Whilst it is perfectly reasonable for you to be only concerned with your own self interest, I am more concerned with the best interest of the majority of the people of the UK.
The endless population increases are to the detriment of the people of the UK with poorer living conditions worsening by the day.

I've no idea what you mean about the rentier system
and I find your lies about my attitude to living with foreign people deeply offensive.
Please try to think of some rational arguments rather than making offensive insults.
Maybe you could start by explaining how you think all people of equal and deserve equal treatment irrespective of their place of birth but don't want to share your space with them in practice.