If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

another totally untrue statement: I have never said it nor do I believe it

but then neither do you but you lack the intellectual integrity to say so.

Your two key points for favouring Brexit are
- EU is not democratic
- Immigration

Have I misconstrued your argument?

setmefree2

mwpt wrote: »

Could you tell me if you live in or near London?

Clapton won't tell you - I'm no Sherlock but I guess she lives in Clapton and is either a pensioner or a house wife judging by the amount of time she has on her hands

By the way,



Just joking!

setmefree2

Betting odds move sharply towards Britain staying in EU

LONDON, April 25 (Reuters) - Bookmakers' odds have shifted sharply towards Britain voting to remain in the European Union in a referendum in June, a move in sentiment also reflected by the pound rising on Monday to a near six-week high against the euro.

The probability of a "Remain", or "In", vote implied by the odds was at its highest level since September 2015, Betfair data showed.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/odds-move-sharply-towards-britain-103341610.html

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Your two key points for favouring Brexit are
- EU is not democratic
- Immigration

Have I misconstrued your argument?

you have indeed misconstrued my issues with the EU

I wish to restrict the population growth in the UK for the many reasons I have frequently articulated : but basically because I believe that slower population growth provides a better quality of life for the people of the UK. In practice (as I am a pragmatic and not a dogmatic person) that means limiting immigration. So I would allow only 10s of thousands per annum.

I wish for our laws to be made by the UK parliament. The 28 countries of the EU are quite diverse and so are their own specific problems.
Better that each country decided their own immigration policies, the length of the working week, the level and scope of VAT, how their benefits systems apply to foreigners, the fisheries policy for their territorial waters etc etc. You can broadly call this democracy if you wish.
I don't claim there is no democracy within the EU institutions but the practical realisation is far too remote and long winded to allow the people of the UK to directly change laws and regulations. I don't accept one size fits all.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

There are pros and cons to stuff. I must be a turkey voting for Christmas because I've never looked at the overcrowding of London transport and thought "EU problem" but always thought, "captured market problem".

The various rail companies and network rail itself, have a monopoly on travel here. When my train is delayed and the next one too crowded to get on to, and the next cancelled, I could be late for work yet not able to claim compensation because SWT apply their shifty "on time" stats across the full day rather than weighted to peak hours and have very very loose definition of what a delay is.

More people coming to capital cities is a global phenomenon. You keep blaming the EU for the the failures in the UK markets for failing to regulate these services correctly. We can look at global trends and decide, "nope, none of that for us no more immigrants to London" but what are you going to do when people within the UK continue to crowd into the capital?

Once again I challenge you to actually find a single post where I have 'blamed ' the EU for anything other than their vile track record of excluding developing countries from their markets for 50 years: this has kept those countries un-necessarily poor and probably encouraged much of the extremism and the migration problems of many of the African countries.

But just find one post where I blame the EU for overcrowding on the tube.
There is a causal link between immigration and the level of population.
There is a casual link between level of population and the level of transport, housing, schools, NHS facilities, social service etc required.

I am delighted to continue trading with all the countries of the EU;

Issues caused by people born in this country are our problem to solve: the issues caused by the other 7,000,000,000 people in the world are not our specific responsibility although I believe we should provide support and help where appropriate.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

No idea.
Is this an op-ed piece?
Can you link to the original article?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2009/mar/04/obama-irish-brown-special

It appears everyone is OK with the Kenya link, even Obama himself.

The remain side clearly want to discredit Boris and are happy to feign faux dismay at his 'racist' remarks.

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

But just find one post where I blame the EU for overcrowding on the tube.
There is a causal link between immigration and the level of population.
There is a casual link between level of population and the level of transport, housing, schools, NHS facilities, social service etc required.

This is surreal. Am I missing a small nuance of logic here? You do not want to be part of the EU because you wish to stop immigration. You wish to stop immigration because you believe it is causing higher population. You directly correlate the "level of population" with the "level of transport".

If I join up the dots, it equates to blaming being in the EU for the overcrowding on our transport.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

This is surreal. Am I missing a small nuance of logic here? You do not want to be part of the EU because you wish to stop immigration. You wish to stop immigration because you believe it is causing higher population. You directly correlate the "level of population" with the "level of transport".

If I join up the dots, it equates to blaming being in the EU for the overcrowding on our transport.

If you wish to say that you 'blame' the EU for the need to spend a huge amount of money on providing resources to fund essential infrastructure etc to cater of the extra population then feel free to do so.

I see a causal link to the increase in population and the need for massive further spending.

Either way we both agree about the issues that increasing population and EU migration cause.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2009/mar/04/obama-irish-brown-special

It appears everyone is OK with the Kenya link, even Obama himself.

The remain side clearly want to discredit Boris and are happy to feign faux dismay at his 'racist' remarks.

Is Nigel Farage also feigning faux dismay?

Mr Farage, the Ukip leader, last night spoke out to distance himself from Mr Johnson's comments.
He said: “I’m not saying that Boris is wrong, but I think if you're seen to be attacking the man and not the ball, then that's not where we need to be.”

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Is Nigel Farage also feigning faux dismay?

Like many politicians he's tried to find the right balance to appease the press whilst knowing full well that calling someone part kenyan is not racist.