If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Wishful thinking.

The only backlash has been regarding Boris Johnson's transformation from bumbling buffoon to outright nasty racist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-boris-johnson-barack-obama-part-kenyan_uk_571cace7e4b0727e4fe79adb

https://www.youtube.com/embed/g3TGNjjwlbQ

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

I only asked the question as remainers claimed the EU wouldn't make a trade deal that didn't allow for full and free movement of its citizens.

But apparently that's not the case any more.

When did they say that? I've never seen such a claim.

I have seen it said that to get the sort of fast tracked deal that joining EFTA that Brexiteers claim is possible would involve freedom of movement because the countries in EFTA have had to concede freedom of movement with the EU. The reason is because members of EFTA do what they are damn well told by the EU.

TTIP negotiations have been ongoing for more than 3 years now and TTIP still isn't law. President Obama has suggested that the USA wouldn't be particularly fussed about a free trade agreement with the UK as a stand alone country. If you vote Brexit then you'd better hope that Mr Johnson knows the workings of the US Government better than the President of the USA. Maybe he does, it seems unlikely TBH but you never know. It's only the future prosperity of your fellow countrymen at stake after all.

michaels

Generali wrote: »

When did they say that? I've never seen such a claim.

I have seen it said that to get the sort of fast tracked deal that joining EFTA that Brexiteers claim is possible would involve freedom of movement because the countries in EFTA have had to concede freedom of movement with the EU. The reason is because members of EFTA do what they are damn well told by the EU.

TTIP negotiations have been ongoing for more than 3 years now and TTIP still isn't law. President Obama has suggested that the USA wouldn't be particularly fussed about a free trade agreement with the UK as a stand alone country. If you vote Brexit then you'd better hope that Mr Johnson knows the workings of the US Government better than the President of the USA. Maybe he does, it seems unlikely TBH but you never know. It's only the future prosperity of your fellow countrymen at stake after all.

Currently (and for the last 30 years) we have how many free trade deals with the USA...in round numbers?

At some point in the next few years the EU and US may sign TTIP, an agreement designed to suit all 28 countries of the EU and the US, which may bring benefit to the UK going forward.

So even if the US decide they will sign of TTIP and that they will not sign off any other free trade deals in the future, the choice with Brexit is to stay with the status quo (under which our trade with the US has not done too badly) plus lose out on the benefits (such as they are) of TTIP at some indeterminate point in the future?

Conrad

Poor little Britain, too puny to make her way in the world, unlike other independent nations, thank goodness we will be persuaded to cling to Nana's apron at the behest of global corporations, lobbyists Goldman Sachs and career political wonks


How will you celebrate on the 24th >> "hoorahh, for..........ermmm..........further loss of democracy and the boosting of globalisation, thank goodness we didn't have the courage to embrace our own destiny, a once in a lifetime opportunity"

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/embed/g3TGNjjwlbQ

Yes, we all know Obama has Kenyan roots.
To use this to try to stick an 'ancestral dislike of the British Empire' on the man is pure desperation on the leave side.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

My opinions are irrelevant in the face of democracy. The will of the people is supreme, as you have repeatedly stated.

another totally untrue statement: I have never said it nor do I believe it

but then neither do you but you lack the intellectual integrity to say so.

antrobus

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, we all know Obama has Kenyan roots.
To use this to try to stick an 'ancestral dislike of the British Empire' on the man is pure desperation on the leave side.

Sort of ironic, when you realise that a certain someone is trying to be the first Turkish-British Prime Minister, who could be said to possess an ancestral dislike for the whole of Christendom.

We shall now sing a rousing chorus of Oh Vienna.:)

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

I will be celebrating no matter the result, as it will mean an end (hopefully) to Clapton's inane one-liner ramblings on MSE.

glad I've got one committed follower

but I will miss our little debates like where you explain how smaller housing is better for people, how low/no wage increases are good for people, how overcrowded transport with long delays provides a better quality of life, how supply and demand don't affect price etc .. always fascinating.........

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, we all know Obama has Kenyan roots.
To use this to try to stick an 'ancestral dislike of the British Empire' on the man is pure desperation on the leave side.

This is what the Guardian said in 2009.

Is the Guardian racist?

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

glad I've got one committed follower

but I will miss our little debates like where you explain how smaller housing is better for people, how low/no wage increases are good for people, how overcrowded transport with long delays provides a better quality of life, how supply and demand don't affect price etc .. always fascinating.........

There are pros and cons to stuff. I must be a turkey voting for Christmas because I've never looked at the overcrowding of London transport and thought "EU problem" but always thought, "captured market problem".

The various rail companies and network rail itself, have a monopoly on travel here. When my train is delayed and the next one too crowded to get on to, and the next cancelled, I could be late for work yet not able to claim compensation because SWT apply their shifty "on time" stats across the full day rather than weighted to peak hours and have very very loose definition of what a delay is.

More people coming to capital cities is a global phenomenon. You keep blaming the EU for the the failures in the UK markets for failing to regulate these services correctly. We can look at global trends and decide, "nope, none of that for us no more immigrants to London" but what are you going to do when people within the UK continue to crowd into the capital?