If we vote for Brexit what happens

Miss_Samantha

CLAPTON wrote: »

I am voting out so...

Still no answer as to what Brexit would actually mean. This is just your letter to Santa.

CLAPTON

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

Still no answer as to what Brexit would actually mean. This is just your letter to Santa.

you seem determined not to discuss any issues whatsoever
that's OK but makes further discussion pointless.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Can you tell me what the format of import documentation will be and what transitional arrangements will be in place?

yes of course I can ; but its confidential at the moment but I will give you a copy before general release.

mwpt

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

People who want to vote to leave, vote against problems, not for a solution (no-one knows what Brexit would mean).
It's emotional. It's all their fault.

Bad news sells. Why do you think newspapers are filled with it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

in which it became clear that negative information was typically more heavily weighted when participants were tasked with forming comprehensive evaluations and impressions of other target individuals

I know at this stage many people will have put their stake in the ground and won't be changing their minds on their vote. But to those that are undecided, please consider this very important point. If you are undecided, and if you are a regular folk like most of us, you are very very likely to be more influenced by bad emotional news than otherwise. Economics doesn't strike as much of a cord with you. But negative news about attacks on your national sovereignty or laws which supposedly negatively impact your way of life (those darn bendy bananas) will be. We all have this trait, but if you can be aware of it when considering your vote, perhaps it'll help.

michaels

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

I don't think that this is even the case.

IMHO, the rejection of the EU is first and foremost a reaction against issues, real or perceived, relevant or not relevant to the EU. The EU is a convenient scapegoat for a few issues.

People who want to vote to leave, vote against problems, not for a solution (no-one knows what Brexit would mean).
It's emotional: It's all their fault.

Where as I am voting for a Britain that will probably be poorer and may be less pleasant but it will be our choice of how much poorer and how much less pleasant.

As an independent country we could choose to keep exactly the same policies as now on immigration, trade, human rights etc etc. IE exactly the same as being in the EU.

The difference being we could also vote to have different ones too and not be forced to follow the path Europe chooses going forward should we not like it.

mwpt

michaels wrote: »

Where as I am voting for a Britain that will probably be poorer and may be less pleasant but it will be our choice of how much poorer and how much less pleasant.

As an independent country we could choose to keep exactly the same policies as now on immigration, trade, human rights etc etc. IE exactly the same as being in the EU.

The difference being we could also vote to have different ones too and not be forced to follow the path Europe chooses going forward should we not like it.

We could have both though, we can be richer by being in Europe and we don't have to follow their path to a more federal superstate because we agreed that we won't be part of that. That is exactly what the remain vote is campaigning on.

I think the Euro currency is a mistake and I hope that Europe realises it too at some point, but in the meantime we get all of the benefits with very few downsides by being in. And if things really do become "bad" (they won't), we can simply leave at some point in the future. At the moment, I just don't see why we would intentionally sacrifice our own prosperity to mitigate against some future badness which may or may not happen and which we can easily avoid in the future if it does.

Miss_Samantha

CLAPTON wrote: »

-That UK companies can trade with all the countries of the world on whatever terms they can agree on
-that the UK can import from all the countries of the world and decide on tariff or non tariff barriers as we see fit.

This sounds like a coal miner saying that he will quit his union so that he can negotiate directly with the company.

The EU is the largest market in the world, by the way. It makes sense to leave in order to promote trade, not.

CLAPTON

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

This sounds like a coal miner saying that he will quit his union so that he can negotiate directly with the company.

The EU is the largest market in the world, by the way. It makes sense to leave in order to promote trade, not.

I have given several substantial reasons for leaving that will enable the people of the UK to enjoy a better life.

We will not stop trading with the people and businesses of the EU but will be free to create additional trading relationship with other countries without being hamstrung by EU bureaucracy.

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

but will be free to create additional trading relationship with other countries without being hamstrung by EU bureaucracy.

Our local bureaucracy will be much better than the dirty foreign bureaucracy.

michaels

mwpt wrote: »

Our local bureaucracy will be much better than the dirty foreign bureaucracy.

If we want a trade agreement with Canada we would spend less time discussing Olive Oil than the EU negotiators did when drawing up the EU/Canada deal.

(Popeye on the other hand....)