If we vote for Brexit what happens

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

The NHS, schools and defence will face billions of pounds worth of (additional) cuts if Britain votes to leave the European Union because of the economic impact of a Brexit.

...the economic impact of a vote to leave the European Union in June is likely to be "permanent" and could leave Britain worse off "for decades to come".

"Every alternative to EU membership has significant economic costs.

...the hit to the economy of a vote to Leave would not just be temporary, but permanent, because of lower trade and investment.

"That means that far from there being more to spend on schools, hospitals and defence, there will be less - billions of pounds a year less. Britain would be worse off for decades to come."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/nhs-and-schools-will-face-billions-in-cuts-if-britain-votes-to-l/

Ouch....

A permanent hit to the UK economy.

Billions of pounds in extra, additional cuts to the NHS, Schools and Defence if the UK votes to leave.

£4300 worse off a year for every household - that's a lot of additional benefits, pensions and services cuts to make.:eek:

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/nhs-and-schools-will-face-billions-in-cuts-if-britain-votes-to-l/

Ouch....

A permanent hit to the UK economy.

Billions of pounds in extra, additional cuts to the NHS, Schools and Defence if the UK votes to leave.

£4300 worse off a year for every household - that's a lot of additional benefits, pensions and services cuts to make.:eek:

and you have a long history of always believing George
few others agree with you, not even Dave.

vivatifosi

What it comes down to is whether politics or economics are most important to voters.

The arguments that the out campaign makes most strongly are political ones... that the EU is undemocratic, that the UK can stand on its own two feet, that British laws are being emasculated, that we can't control our own borders. They are much weaker at proving an economic case.

The in camp, on the other hand, hold the economic cards. They can make much more coherent arguments about the value of the EU to the economy, how many jobs are in foreign parented companies and could be at risk, the value of trade with the EU, the strong negative impact of Brexit on GDP, etc.

Ultimately it comes down to which people find the most persuasive.

michaels

Fighting the second world war was a trade off between sovereignty and economics.

China has undoubtedly developed faster because of one party rule.

And yet we are told that a few percent of gdp (even less when considered per head) trumps all other arguments when it comes to EU membership.

Miss_Samantha

CLAPTON wrote: »

after brexit I can absolutely guarantee that
-the world will continue spinning as the same rate as today (approx)
-that my shower will produce clean hot water
-my CH will function as per normal
-the shops will have plenty of stock
-people will go to work as usual
-trade will continue uninterrupted

-however, after a while, many EU countries will start to question why their unemployment is so high and start to look for alternative economics models

Long post, with irrelevant statements... So I can only conclude that you agree with me and that you do not have a clue either what 'Brexit' means.

Rinoa

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/17/nhs-and-schools-will-face-billions-in-cuts-if-britain-votes-to-l/

Ouch....

A permanent hit to the UK economy.

Billions of pounds in extra, additional cuts to the NHS, Schools and Defence if the UK votes to leave.

£4300 worse off a year for every household - that's a lot of additional benefits, pensions and services cuts to make.:eek:

You're an intelligent man Hamish. I seriously doubt whether you believe any of the above.

Miss_Samantha

vivatifosi wrote: »

What it comes down to is whether politics or economics are most important to voters.

I don't think that this is even the case.

IMHO, the rejection of the EU is first and foremost a reaction against issues, real or perceived, relevant or not relevant to the EU. The EU is a convenient scapegoat for a few issues.

People who want to vote to leave, vote against problems, not for a solution (no-one knows what Brexit would mean).
It's emotional: It's all their fault.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Rinoa wrote: »

You're an intelligent man Hamish. I seriously doubt whether you believe any of the above.

You're right, I don't believe it, as I think the likeliest outcome would be worse than the Treasury's overly optimistic assessment.

CLAPTON

Miss_Samantha wrote: »

I don't think that this is even the case.

IMHO, the rejection of the EU is first and foremost a reaction against issues, real or perceived, relevant or not relevant to the EU. The EU is a convenient scapegoat for a few issues.

People who want to vote to leave, vote against problems, not for a solution (no-one knows what Brexit would mean).
It's emotional. It's all their fault.

I am voting out so
-that the UK parliament can make our laws
-that the UK parliament can determine the level of immigration
-that the Uk parliament / judicial system can determine whether foreigners can be expelled
-That UK companies can trade with all the countries of the world on whatever terms they can agree on
-that the UK can import from all the countries of the world and decide on tariff or non tariff barriers as we see fit.
-that the UK can decide whether to encourage further intensive farming on high ground or encourage anti flood planting instead
-that the UK can decide to zero rate loft insulation and energy reducing materials/systems rather than have to charge 20%VAT
-and many many other important things.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

after brexit I can absolutely guarantee that
-the world will continue spinning as the same rate as today (approx)

Can you tell me what the format of import documentation will be and what transitional arrangements will be in place?