If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

When the UK goes back to being the most powerful country in the world there may be some equivalence there but as things stand the UK has to take what's given to an extent.

one might speculate that the UK is no less powerful than say Australia, who seem to manage with a sovereign parliament without outside assistance

gfplux

michaels wrote: »

Here is the plan:
We will have a written constitution and enshrine all that we want to keep of the EHCR
We will have two fully elected parliamentary chambers
We will have a points based immigration system possibly allowing just as many immigrants as now or even more but of our choosing
We will conclude trade deals on the basis of how good they are for all our citizens rather than based on the politics of special interest groups spread over the whole of Europe - Olive Oil and nice New World wines will be much cheaper.

And most importantly - we will be able to make changes to all of these (subject to the constitutional process) whenever we want to following votes by our democratically elected representative.

The point I and others have made is about a plan someone who may be in a position of authority after a Brexit vote will have. We all have our personal WISH LIST.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

The point I and others have made is about a plan someone who may be in a position of authority after a Brexit vote will have. We all have our personal WISH LIST.

We live in a democracy : the current government is pro-stay.
There is, self evidently, no-one with authority over what will happen in the event of brexit.

maxie014

As a working class person,can anyone tell me what being in the eu has done for me and why i would want to remain in it?
As far as i can see its just a cheap labour pool
The erm fiasco cost me a fortune in mortgage payments back in the day.
As a fisherman the cfp ruined the fish stocks and continue to do so.
Wheres the benefits to me personally?
And neil kinnocks tribe make a fortune out of it thats enough on its own for me to vote out!

mayonnaise

maxie014 wrote: »

As a working class person,can anyone tell me what being in the eu has done for me and why i would want to remain in it?
As far as i can see its just a cheap labour pool
The erm fiasco cost me a fortune in mortgage payments back in the day.
As a fisherman the cfp ruined the fish stocks and continue to do so.
Wheres the benefits to me personally?
And neil kinnocks tribe make a fortune out of it thats enough on its own for me to vote out!

Well, as we all know, fish stocks will miraculously recover the day after brexit, our fishing fleet can be upgraded overnight if we can stop sending them 350 million per week (or was it per day?), and to top it all off we'll be able to export our fish all over the British Empire tariff free.
So yes, you should definitely vote out.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Well, as we all know, fish stocks will miraculously recover the day after brexit, our fishing fleet can be upgraded overnight if we can stop sending them 350 million per week (or was it per day?), and to top it all off we'll be able to export our fish all over the British Empire tariff free.
So yes, you should definitely vote out.

unlikely

but it will mean that the UK can decide on fish conservation measures rather than a 28 country cabal including land locked countries thousands of miles away.

we do indeed export about £1.3 b mainly to the EU and USA
and we import about £2.3b (2010 figures)

obviously the balance of trade deficit shows how we need to be in the EU to maintain our high level of foreign borrowing and asset sales which mortgage our future earning stream so we can fund the current deficit.

of course if we had a surplus that would also prove how much we needed to be in the Eu and if we didn't imported or exported any fish that would also show how essential EU membership is : obviously these assessment are confirmed by independent detailed IMF analysis.

Interesting to read that Lagarde thinks that tax avoidance is of grave concern for the world economy: it seems the IMF weren't previously aware of it : probably too busy worrying about brexit to notice.

maxie014

Got to love the cfp,a lithuanian super trawler,banned from australian waters,now warmly welcomed in irish waters by the eu,its a win win situation for fish stocks!
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fishing-authorities-say-super-trawler-banned-from-australia-can-fish-in-irish-waters-261117.html

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, we obviously should get rid of any fishing quotas and have a free for all. That will be a win win for fish stocks!

or we could decide what's best for fishing in the UK territorial waters in the UK parliament

Niv

What frustrates me at the moment is that it does not matter if you listen to the in or out campaigners they all seem to say how bad it is to disagree with their stance but no one can really provide any substance as to why we should agree with their stance.

Keeping the status quo is not really an answer with the ‘evercloser union’ mantra. There is no such thing as the status quo when it comes tothe EU situation – it is changing, the question is do we want to change with it or without it – and without decent information no one can really know or even have a decent guess what is ‘best’.

CLAPTON

Niv wrote: »

What frustrates me at the moment is that it does not matter if you listen to the in or out campaigners they all seem to say how bad it is to disagree with their stance but no one can really provide any substance as to why we should agree with their stance.

Keeping the status quo is not really an answer with the ‘evercloser union’ mantra. There is no such thing as the status quo when it comes tothe EU situation – it is changing, the question is do we want to change with it or without it – and without decent information no one can really know or even have a decent guess what is ‘best’.

yes, its certainly irritating that the future is unknown