If we vote for Brexit what happens

michaels

Are Cameron and Corbyn working together on the in campaign?

If I was trying to achieve an out victory I would try to make sure Farage and UKIP are sidelined.

chucknorris

It is currently about 1/2 stay in, and 2/1 exit, on betfair.

Rinoa

Remember the deal Cameron negotiated?

The EU vice president gave an interesting interview yesterday.

He believes the deal went too far, questions it's legality and even suggests it will be altered if we decide to vote remain. He also describes the the UK is "an incredibly laborious member state".

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/graf-lambsdorff-eu-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

You couldn't make it up.

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

Remember the deal Cameron negotiated?

The EU vice president gave an interesting interview yesterday.

He believes the deal went too far, questions it's legality and even suggests it will be altered if we decide to vote remain. He also describes the the UK is "an incredibly laborious member state".

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/graf-lambsdorff-eu-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

You couldn't make it up.

What the deuce....

Generali

Rinoa wrote: »

Remember the deal Cameron negotiated?

The EU vice president gave an interesting interview yesterday.

He believes the deal went too far, questions it's legality and even suggests it will be altered if we d.ecide to vote remain. He also describes the the UK is "an incredibly laborious member state".

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/graf-lambsdorff-eu-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

You couldn't make it up.

He isn't Vice President of the EU as there isn't such a role.

There are half a dozen Vice Presidents of the European Commission, of which he is not one, and there are 14 Vice Presidents of the European Parliament of which he is one. As he was elected number 11 his role is largely titular.

Of course he is as entitled to his view as anyone else but I wouldn't invest too much into it. It's rather like the Portuguese Sea Minister saying that she doesn't like the deal that was struck with the UK: it's not that important in the grand scheme of things. In fact the Portuguese Sea Minister probably has more political power than Earl Lambsdorff.

kabayiri

I found this paragraph in the linked piece interesting :

"Those in favour of an emergency brake on the free movement of workers, will see that sooner or later others will come up with the same idea regarding the free provision of services, the free movement of goods and the free movement of capital – destroying the internal market as we know it."

He seems to be against something because it might gain popularity with "others" (presumably EU states)?

It's a very fixed attitude.

I think Dave Cameron is being pretty wise in not inviting any EU officials like Graf on to the Remain Team platform. They are not exactly vote winners.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

He isn't Vice President of the EU as there isn't such a role.

There are half a dozen Vice Presidents of the European Commission, of which he is not one, and there are 14 Vice Presidents of the European Parliament of which he is one. As he was elected number 11 his role is largely titular.

Of course he is as entitled to his view as anyone else but I wouldn't invest too much into it. It's rather like the Portuguese Sea Minister saying that she doesn't like the deal that was struck with the UK: it's not that important in the grand scheme of things. In fact the Portuguese Sea Minister probably has more political power than Earl Lambsdorff.

there is no reason to believe his view is less representative that Cameron's : after all nobody believes his view of the negotiations, not even himself.

mayonnaise

Interesting and balanced article courtesy of the FT.
Why the Brexit crowd wants to silence Obama.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cf13ab80-0158-11e6-99cb-83242733f755.html#axzz45nTFpmRA

So unique is the trust between these countries, the sceptics proclaim, that they share their most precious secrets in the Five Eyes intelligence arrangement. Only the EU stands in the way of a deeper relationship. The snag is that these other English-speaking nations share Mr Obama’s horror at the idea of Brexit. “What are these people smoking?” is the response of one Canadian diplomat to the assertion that Britain would somehow be stronger alone.

The best the Leave campaign can answer is that all these friends and allies are, well, just wrong. So too are the Japanese, the Indians and anyone else worried that Britain may be heading for unsplendid isolation. The Outs cannot point to a single friendly government that thinks Britain would be anything but weakened by a decision to leave.

angrypirate

mayonnaise wrote: »

Interesting and balanced article courtesy of the FT.
Why the Brexit crowd wants to silence Obama.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/cf13ab80-0158-11e6-99cb-83242733f755.html#axzz45nTFpmRA

Id like to see someone like Cameron telling the US they would be better in a common union with a parliament with Canada and Mexico and a few other central american countries? I bet the general consensus from the US would be "foxtrot oscar"

Generali

angrypirate wrote: »

Id like to see someone like Cameron telling the US they would be better in a common union with a parliament with Canada and Mexico and a few other central american countries? I bet the general consensus from the US would be "foxtrot oscar"

When the UK goes back to being the most powerful country in the world there may be some equivalence there but as things stand the UK has to take what's given to an extent.