If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

How UK green taxes killed British Steel.

https://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/carbon-floor-pricing-contributing-to-uk-steel-crisis-says-think-tank

It's complex. But as I understand it the EU says we must tax fossil fuels. Some counties exempt business and make householders pay, the UK let off householders and make industry pay.

Of course, the EU should have banned China from dumping steel, but the Chinese may well have retaliated and stopped EU exports - which unfortunately are mostly German. So the EU let the steel in.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Looks like the leave campaign is running out of steam and have decided to put Project Fear into overdrive.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/28/vote-leave-releases-list-of-serious-crimes-by-eu-citizens-in-britain



Good. The lower they sink, the more it will put off the silent non-bigoted majority. :T

do you think it inappropriate for the UK to be able to exclude non Uk but EU citizens who have committed serious crimes?

do you think that information about the issue should be secret?

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

It's complex. But as I understand it the EU says we must tax fossil fuels. Some counties exempt business and make householders pay, the UK let off householders and make industry pay.

It's complex indeed. There are EU regulations and there are additional UK regulations which the UK government of the day chooses to impose.
Note also other EU governments not sticking too strictly to EU guidelines on support for their respective steel industries.
There just isn't the political (nor financial) will in the UK to keep British steel alive.

angrypirate

mayonnaise wrote: »

Looks like the leave campaign is running out of steam and have decided to put Project Fear into overdrive.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/mar/28/vote-leave-releases-list-of-serious-crimes-by-eu-citizens-in-britain



Good. The lower they sink, the more it will put off the silent non-bigoted majority. :T

What makes this scaremongering and not fact? So as I understand it, this is a list of EU criminals who, prior to coming to the UK, have a criminal record and then once in the UK have committed further crimes. This is fact - its a list of criminals who we could stop coming into the country and committing further crimes were we to leave the EU.

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Note also other EU governments not sticking too strictly to EU guidelines on support for their respective steel industries.

A valid point.

But it's yet another reason why we shouldn't be in a club where we obey the rules whilst others continually flout them.

mayonnaise

angrypirate wrote: »

What makes this scaremongering and not fact? So as I understand it, this is a list of EU criminals who, prior to coming to the UK, have a criminal record and then once in the UK have committed further crimes. This is fact - its a list of criminals who we could stop coming into the country and committing further crimes were we to leave the EU.

Are there non-EU criminals also who, prior to coming to the UK, have a criminal record and then once in the UK have committed further crimes?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Are there non-EU criminals also who, prior to coming to the UK, have a criminal record and then once in the UK have committed further crimes?

indeed so
but these we can deport whilst EU national we can't, although I accept that the 'Human Rights ' stuff gets in the way a bit.

Generali

mayonnaise wrote: »

Are there non-EU criminals also who, prior to coming to the UK, have a criminal record and then once in the UK have committed further crimes?

Abu Hamza was from La Rochelle IIRC.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

Abu Hamza was from La Rochelle IIRC.

he is usually described as an Egyptian cleric
although I believe he lives in the USA at the moment

Mistermeaner

I'm leaning towards 'in' currently

Can we add a poll? I like polls