If we vote for Brexit what happens

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

the SNP will campaign for a new Iscotland referendum only when the polls show a decent majority for a win.
The 'excuse' doesn't matter.
The result of the EU referendum is only important to the extend that it may persuade more scots to want iscotland.

A brexit vote not supported by Scottish voters might tempt the SNP to chance their arm.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

A brexit vote not supported by Scottish voters might tempt the SNP to chance their arm.

They'd be mad not to call a referendum. They'd be out of the starting gate with independence support hovering around 50% already. A Brexit would split the remaining unionist vote down the middle. Some of whom voted No fearing that Scotland would be kicked out of the EU if there was a Yes vote. Sturgeon's been 100% consistent on the SNP's stance on this since June last year.

Tue Jun 2, 2015
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-idUKKBN0OI0NA20150602

"We must be part of the European Union. If Scotland were to be taken out of Europe despite voting as a nation to have remained, it would provoke a strong backlash," she said.

But this isn't the Scotland thread. So moving on.

As far as EU campaigning goes, this data being released soon must be a huge headache for Remain.

Number of EU migrants working in UK to be revealed weeks before referendum

HMRC will provide national insurance figures, which could prove immigration has been seriously underestimated..
..Official immigration data shows that about 800,000 EU migrants have settled in the UK in the last four years, a figure based on surveys of people entering Britain. However, about 2 million EU migrants have been given NI numbers over that time. The data requested from HMRC would show how many are actively being used.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/03/number-migrants-revealed-eu-referendum-hmrc-national-insurance

https://next.ft.com/content/87e937cc-fa6c-11e5-8f41-df5bda8beb40

chewmylegoff

The SNP don't have the power to call a referendum...

michaels

chewmylegoff wrote: »

The SNP don't have the power to call a referendum...

And if they tried to using the apparatus of state in Scotland would rUK send in the tanks to prevent it?

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

what exactly is worrying about democracy?

That such an important decision turns on actions primarily driven by the preservation of stability in the Conservative Party.

michaels

BobQ wrote: »

That such an important decision turns on actions primarily driven by the preservation of stability in the Conservative Party.

Democracy for the wrong reasons is worse than no democracy at all?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

That such an important decision turns on actions primarily driven by the preservation of stability in the Conservative Party.

The decision to leave or stay in the EU, will be decided by the votes of the people of the UK.
Why is that a problem for you?

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

The decision to leave or stay in the EU, will be decided by the votes of the people of the UK.
Why is that a problem for you?

It is not.

Merely pointing out that if the timing of the referendum, decisions about the register, the battles of ego between Cameron and Johnson, the divisions in the cabinet and the like are driven by Conservative party politics, it detracts from the democratic process.

I have always believed that the people get the result they deserve. People who complain about the result of any democratic process who did not take part in it or could not be bothered to listen to the arguments still get what they deserve.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

It is not.

Merely pointing out that if the timing of the referendum, decisions about the register, the battles of ego between Cameron and Johnson, the divisions in the cabinet and the like are driven by Conservative party politics, it detracts from the democratic process.

I have always believed that the people get the result they deserve. People who complain about the result of any democratic process who did not take part in it or could not be bothered to listen to the arguments still get what they deserve.

So we both celebrate the opportunity for the people of the UK to vote on whether to stay or leave the EU.
An opportunity that was previously denied by the battles between the vile Blair and Brown who lied to the people of the UK which was a total distraction of democratic process.
But that's democracy.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

And if they tried to using the apparatus of state in Scotland would rUK send in the tanks to prevent it?

It would simply be invalid. The Scottish Parliament can't call a referendum and don't have the funds to pay for it.

If the SNP in the Scottish Parliament tried to call a referendum my best guess is that it would be put up for judicial review at which point it presumably would be struck down. At that point the Scottish Government would then have a choice between breaking the law anyway (not sure what happens then) or backing down.