If we vote for Brexit what happens

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

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(1) You, like most of us, have paid scant attention to how the EU functions or how the UK influences policy. Of course, we're all over it now - I wish we'd been so interested in all things Europe a few decades ago. On here I've even seen a German local election result scrutinised to assess its impact on EU policy. Too little too late.
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I agree with this. I knew relatively little about the EU until recent times.

Did the EU do enough to promote it's policies to ordinary citizens? Or is that the duty of our MEPs?

I remember Cameron opposing the current EU budget. That got air time, but I don't recall the positive arguments against the UK position coming back from the EU.

It's like listening in on a telephone call where you are having to guess what the other party is saying.

I did skim read the EU 5 presidents report, but I wonder how many people are aware of the existence of the document, and even the EU goals?

It's the kind of environment where people like Farage can step in to play on the fears of the public.

I'll also be honest here. If the fears play in to the direction I personally want, then why should I worry?

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

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The other 27 sovereign states seems to be okay hanging together, definitely they seem to have better cohesion than England and Scotland. A year later, this Brexit domino effect has failed to materialise.
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Why do you think this? The EU I would say as a whole has been left of centre for quite a while, so why is there a rise in right wing politics across the piece?

Could it be that there are moral tensions in a society which is seeing greater change? Not just here but USA too.

wotsthat

kabayiri wrote: »

I agree with this. I knew relatively little about the EU until recent times.

Did the EU do enough to promote it's policies to ordinary citizens? Or is that the duty of our MEPs?

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Being positive about Europe has been career limiting for politicians for many years hence it's best to be anti followed by lukewarm followed by closet supporter. The referendum result will keep supporters in the closet.

May and Corbyn are lukewarms, Farron is pro. Sturgeon is being disingenuous.

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

Why do you think this? The EU I would say as a whole has been left of centre for quite a while, so why is there a rise in right wing politics across the piece?

Could it be that there are moral tensions in a society which is seeing greater change? Not just here but USA too.

Where is this rise in right wing politics? Is it AfD in Germany? Front National in France? Is it Hungary? Is it Austria? Where is it? Lega Nord? Is it the Netherlands? Where?

What does right wing politics means in your world? Do you see any country running to populism 'me first' to any real extreme? Get past the cliches, give specific examples to discuss.

All member states within the EU and/or nations outside the EU will go through change regardless. A Brexited Britain will not stop the exodus from Africa towards wealthier nations.

Thrugelmir

always_sunny wrote: »

A Brexited Britain will not stop the exodus from Africa towards wealthier nations.

The exodus has no connection to Brexit. Though interesting how other countries respond to FOM when it is they that are impacted. Not received with such welcome arms.

kabayiri

always_sunny wrote: »

Where is this rise in right wing politics? Is it AfD in Germany? Front National in France? Is it Hungary? Is it Austria? Where is it? Lega Nord? Is it the Netherlands? Where?
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My specific experience relates to a few visits to offices in Poland.

They elected a right of centre government.

It's interesting when you talk to staff there. In some ways it feels like a throwback to attitudes we had 25/30 years ago.

setmefree2

UK and US leaders met on the sidelines of the G7 meet and reaffirmed to complete a bilateral trade agreement after UK's exit from the European Union......

always_sunny

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The exodus has no connection to Brexit. Though interesting how other countries respond to FOM when it is they that are impacted. Not received with such welcome arms.

It has absolutely no connection though immigration from Muslim country is a big concern (so it seems) in this country.
Which country has expressed concerns that EU FoM is a problem? Or is that in regards to refugee migration? (these are distinct things)

always_sunny

kabayiri wrote: »

My specific experience relates to a few visits to offices in Poland.

They elected a right of centre government.

It's interesting when you talk to staff there. In some ways it feels like a throwback to attitudes we had 25/30 years ago.

My job takes me to small town throughout the UK and I [often] feel what you're describing about Poland. I talk to staff there too, mostly older generation (late 50+) and to me they often seem stuck in the past.

Poland is very conservative and that's (as a country) fair enough.

Herzlos

setmefree2 wrote: »

UK and US leaders met on the sidelines of the G7 meet and reaffirmed to complete a bilateral trade agreement after UK's exit from the European Union......

The same leader that's now threatening a 35% import tax on German (and only German) cars, and doesn't seem to understand how the EU works?